Voting Democrat has never accomplished me much of anything.
I think everyone who didn’t lose their job would beg to differ.
it was irrelevant because my state swung Democrat by such a large margin that I could have voted for Emperor Norton I a few hundred times and that no one would have noticed
I’ll tell you who noticed was the candidates. Democrats tend to go further left when they get more support and go further right when they don’t.
And as an actual socialist who laughs mockingly at those who call President Obama a socialist, I’ve got to say the Democrat position is only marginally different than the Republican position.
That’s completely untrue. On many issues, as a whole, the Democrats are very different than Republicans. You really need to look at the majority of their votes and actions instead of relying on anecdotal evidence.
Seriously, educate yourself: Vote Smart - Facts For All
They’re not even close.
Embracing false equivalence only further empowers the corporatists and they sure LOVE it when you do that. There’s good Democrats and, by far, a lot more “lesser evil” Democrats than Republicans if you look at their actual voting records and actions.
For example, 60 percent of Democratic Representatives voted against the Iraq Resolution while less than 3 percent of Republican Representatives voted against it. For some reason the media rarely focuses on how much dissent there was from Democrats. I wonder why?
When the Iraq Resolution was “up for discussion” it would have clearly been voted down (see percentage above) if more “lesser evil” Democrats were in office. But, there was a dire lack of lesser evil and greater evil prevailed. We’ve lost countess people worldwide and in the USA and multi-trillions of our precious treasure to the Iraq War based upon LIES. Sometimes less is more, no?
The recent NSA scandal had a vote that failed to neuter it. Guess who voted in greater numbers to stop it? The Democrats. For some reason the media rarely focuses on how much dissent there was from Democrats. I wonder why?
I’ll tell you why, because false equivalence falls right into the hands of those who want to enslave you. It keeps our country ping-ponging back and forth between lesser evil and greater evil without making the slow progress we’d have by now if we’d consistently voted in lesser evil.
I vote. I’m not likely to stop. It’s a bad habit. Won’t give me cancer like smoking or cirrhosis like excessive drinking but it’s soma at best. Does it mean we stop trying to vote? For most of us, probably not and there’s always the outside chance it’ll do something. But we’ve got to stop thinking voting is the solution. It’s a lottery where the rich guys always win.
Agreed, but one winner of that lottery is very actively trying to thwart average Americans (especially if they have some darker color on their skin) from voting. How are you going to vote in a socialist down the road if we keep on the same path where we keep ping-ponging and keep pushing representatives towards the right?
Obama won in '08 with some of the largest margins in a presidential election in my life time and swung hard right. It wasn’t lackluster support from folks who vote Democrat.
It was incredibly lackluster and I said it even before that fucker won. The American people put in Obama, but didn’t bother to truly support him by voting locally to thwart the Republican fillibuster. That would have been true support.
We got to this devastating point in the United States from two vastly, greater evil Bush administrations (
seriously look at this link) with a greater evil conservative, rubber stamp congress in tow. This didn’t magically happen with Obama. It’s the cumulative effect of allowing greater evil into office for a decade beforehand.
This travesty didn’t start with Clinton and we sure as hell wouldn’t be here now if Americans hadn’t sat on their hands and put Bush into office instead of Gore by making it a close race that was easy to steal.
How about telling me how horrible consistently voting in a lesser evil over decades is after we’ve actually tried it?
Take a long, hard look at this chart:
Ever play ping-pong? You know, where the ball goes back and forth, back and forth? Poor ball never seems to get anywhere, does it? That’s the result of false equivalence in action.
Here’s another chart:
Look, I tried to stop the Bush administration in the first place before it ever got to this point. It sure was a lonely, fucking place because I was surrounded by people who didn’t see the difference between Bush and Gore (because they didn’t bother to look and embraced false equivalency instead).
Somehow I expect most big time voting advocates would rather I was defeatest.
The fact that you vote in the first place is a strong indicator you’re no defeatist. I also throughly agree with you that voting in itself is just one aspect of what Americans need to do.
I believe we can have socialism in my lifetime and I believe we can have it without civil war.
Maybe some form of it, but I have to admit I’m skeptical it’s going to happen in our lifetime. Ironically, the fact that so many don’t support the very people you think are the same as Republicans is why I’m skeptical. How are you going to vote for socialists when greater evil clamps down on voting itself?
I can’t say I support pure socialism… For one, because there’s so many different interpretations of it and vastly different implementations. But, I’d definitely love to see more of a hybrid of some forms of it with capitalism and a well-regulated militia free market.
