Avada Cadavra!!! (sound of mike dropping)
Forward slash! Not backslash! </pedantic asshattery>
Good catch!
(Sheâs could have been slyly witty, by concluding âI will not be slashed into pieces any more!â)
so that started out quite funny.
then shit got real.
Thinking pretty seriously about having my 16 year old son watch that as a catalyst for a conversation about porn, erotica and the objectification of women.
Win on the poetry, but girlfriend needs to lose the canned North American poetry slam accent. It obtunds the emotion and meaning of her words by verging them toward Blah blaahh bla blaaaahhh. Not all poetry slamminâ poets in North America fall prey to this, but Iâve heard it live on both coasts and in too many recordings. I hope Brenna finds a spoken voice to match the playful and critical power of her written one.
I always wondered why spoken word poets (if thatâs the right term) all have the same cadence.
Maybe she didnât want to say âslashâ wrt fanfic?
Backslash, itâs a Microsoft thing.
Thanks for that!
So, I donât dispute what she says about porn. Personally, Iâm pretty selective about it: it has to be clear that all parties are consenting, has to not just be nasty banginâ away, has to bear some resemblance to people actually having sex and enjoying it. Iâd say about 90% of it is pretty gross and 99% of it is unrealisticâincluding the amateur stuff.
Having said thatâŚ
OK, I tried the URL she spouts off and I get a 404. Not a surprise; she probably spouted it off on the fly. Probably. Nevertheless I did a Google search for âsite:fanfiction.net harry potter nc-17â (fanfiction.com redirects to fanfiction.net) and got this story.
And apparently, Lavender and other students are writing erotica about Ron, which creeps him out because he has no feelings for her, leaving him feeling violated. Thankfully, though, Luna has rules in her fanfic! They are:
Rules:
- If the couple becomes real theyâre no longer âtabooâ and therefore not fit for our âfictionâ any longer.
-No rape or non-con of any type in the stories.
-All stories must be rated M aka Nc-17
-All S&M stories must be clearly labeled as such to avoid upset. (Thank you Romilda!)
-All slash stories, whether m/m or f/f must be labeled.
-No incest stories! (In exception of the HAWT threesomes involving the Weasley twins.)
-No one under 15 mentioned in sexual situations. (This includes snog sessions Lavender.)
Well, good! No incest other than the Weasleys (because thatâs HAWT), and there wonât be any erotica in this story about kids under 15.
Wait.
15?
I get that the age of consent is 15 in some places, but itâs 16 in England. Itâs 17 where I live (Illinois). Anyone remember the shitfest when Glee did their Sadie Hawkins episode? Puck had sex with a 16-year-old girl who enthusiastically pursued him, wouldnât take ânoâ for an answer, and he finally consented despite not knowing that he was in a state where she was already at the age of consent? Nah, he asked her if would get him in trouble, she said yes, and he consented anyway. This of course means she was raped.
Chapter two of that story starts with some erotica fantasizing about Malfoy having sex with Ginny. I did the math; her character would have been 15 or 16 at the time.
But nah, theyâre not at all the same.
In fact, just doing a general Google search brings up a lot of fantasies about non-consensual sex and, well, thereâs some really terribly-written slash about Harry and SnapeâŚyou knowâŚbecause thereâs nothing at all creepy about a teen having sex with one of his teachers.
So yeahâŚif I see an image or video of a 24-year-old in pigtails performing a sexual act, thatâs worse than fantasizing about 15-year-olds having sex? Or more to the point, nothing wrong with fantasizing about Bonnie Wright, at 15 years old, with her skirt hiked up, or a 15-year-old Katie Leung getting herself off with a broomstick?
I buy half of it. The other, not so much.
Her point about the flashing âjust turned 18!â banner would have gone down a lot easier if she didnât preface that by openly fantasizing about having sex with prepubescent schoolchildren. Iâm sure Humbert Humbert also uses the âwell-rounded characterâ defense, too.
Sheâs a hypocritical kink-shamer. You can dress that up in feminist slam poetry all you want, thatâs the base of it. Her porn is good, yours is not.
the way i reckon the inconsistency is that these people take mass media as a sort of gospel which should obey their ideals about society and whatnot, whereas fanfic is their opportunity to profane. some of this then slowly makes its way into the canon.
as such, itâs nothing new. plenty of this in the Old Testament. what is odd and slightly depressing is the reverence for such crap as Harry Potter, but whatever.
i think her point was that ânormalâ porn is just as fantastical as hers. normal sex with âbarelyâ legal adults is not generally considered kinky, anyway; whereâs the kink-shaming?
âThey are part of the bigger story. They exist beyond 8 minutes in âTitty Titty Gang Bang.â That their kegels are not the strongest thing about them [âŚ] donât you give me raw meat and tell me it is nourishment.â
With an added head bob for emphasis on how little she thinks of âTitty Titty Gang Bang.â
Sheâs making her point very clear, here. She thinks that masturbating to erotic literature about fictional schoolchildren is more respectable than masturbating to videos with consenting, role-playing adults.
She tries to throw gender politics, societal pressures and sexual assault on top of it. But thatâs the ultimate point of what she said.
Her kink is nourishment. Yours is raw meat.
Kink-shaming.
Yeah; I think she may be hung up on the fact that hers is imagined while watching âTitty Titty Gang Bangâ is watching real people actually having sex, and that in many pornos, thereâs little in the way of realistic sex, and hell, very little respect for the female actors from the male actors, if at all. Personally, I blame the fact that so many uptight, conservative folks unwind with pornâŚbut maybe Iâm wrong here. I donât know if this is a reference to a real porno, but I found several that had that title. The first one I found featuredâŚerâŚa woman in the position of powerâŚas a doctorâŚgiving rectal exams to men? Well, different strokes, I suppose.
Me, Iâm a tiny bit more squicked out by the Harry Potter fiction, because I canât help but think that peopleâs imaginations are going to be fueled not just by the fanfic, but also by the mental image of the actors from the movies. The first fanfic I found when I searched for âfanfiction.com harry potter nc17â gave me a story set during Harryâs sixth year, and the first explicit description of people having sex is Draco and Ginny. My first thought is that someone out there, if theyâre turned on by this, theyâre going to have a mental image of Tom Felton, age 16, in sexual relations with Bonnie Wright, age 15.
Letâs pause to think about that for a moment.
And some of the slash I foundâŚthe Snape/Harry one I found earlier, the headshot of the author was of a woman, probably in her mid-30s. Canât help but think of some of Robert Pattinsonâs stories about the creepy middle-aged womenâŚ
I totally agree. I like everything about this clip, but man was it hard to watch because of that cliched rhythm. It was almost like a parody.
I feel somewhat vindicated now in only fantasizing about the movie-version of Moaning Myrtle, who was played by an adult very close to my own age and never came across to me as literally adolescent on-screen.
Now I need to track down some of that fanfic. 
I see your point, the âadmissionâ to potterotica is a dare, its meant to show that she knows what sheâs talking about when she talks about porn, its also a gambit to paint admitted potter porn as erotica and claim its better than porn as if the distinction was worth discussing. In the end, sex sells.
Thereâs a point there, Iâm not even going to go there and attempt to critique the validity of the point, its hers to make. But its definitely a nonsequitir to preach to the choir a valid case weakly and then claim sheâs taking back anything.
Iâm not taking sides here, just that I donât see this convincing anybody thatâs not already convinced, the line she uses to join the dots here are so thin that you kinda have to be on her side in the first place to recognize them.
A few weeks ago I had a small exchange with a buddy who posted a picture on FB âexplainingâ how certain vegetebales have more protein than meat, the numbers were unrealistic, spinach had like 20 times more protein than meat. I pointed out that this is not true and that its simple to verify after which he attempted to change the conversation and say that it doesnât matter because its healthier anyway to not eat meat.
You can be a level 7 vegan and still agree (hopefully) that truth is truth and if you believe something on good evidence, thereâs no reason to present bad evidence to other people to convince them for their own good.
To be clear, I donât mean to say that what Twohy is pointing out does not have merit, in the end Iâm just not a fan of speaking the truth with bad arguments.
Edit: For spelling and clarity.
Oh my god, not an âadded head bobâ! Thatâs just unacceptable.
Yeah, but seriously, I get your point although personally I have no problem with either one, and feel that her intent was more celebratory than shaming.
There were a few eye-roll inducing moments, and the âraw meatâ bit really threw me. Tartare and sashimi are nourishment, and quite delicious ones.
