Nope, men and women aren’t equally sexualized in comics

It’s sexy and well-done pin-up. I don’t love it, but I like it. It’s cute and kitchsy and fun.

But it’s not really the point of anything that’s being discussed here, though, and it’s still a derail to the larger discussion and it still feels like you’re still trying to play a “GOTCHA!!!” on us but you’re failing. What’s your point? I have a good friend who does porn… we’re not talking about adult, consenting women choosing to do sexy art, or porn. We’re talking about comics largely written by men. It’s a completely different subject, and a totally different context.

I mean, do you have a point? Your friend does kitchsy pin-up. …So?

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Everything is a derailment to you. Even the GOT conversation, which I introduced and which was in my opinion extremely productive, is a derailment to you. Here, let me mansplain what my point is:

  1. Men and women aren’t equally sexualized in comics. I agree. But

(2) I don’t accept the assumed, unstated position that objectification, sexualization and nudity are always bad.

So when you say something sexualizes or objectifies I may agree with you, and I may also add, “so what?”

And I never met him. This is not the same person I described earlier as my friend.

I like to use the fairy burlesque club from True Blood as a pretty good example of what strip clubs would look more like in a more egalitarian society. Not only do they have both men and women dancing but the burlesque show is more about cool skills being shown off in a sexy way, with less of the weird “power” vibe that strip tease can have. The entertainers are there to entertain you (and turn you on) but not to give you a power trip.

The dancers in the vamp club are way more about power exchange but that’s a huge trope with vampires.

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I have a couple questions that I’d appreciate someone answering for me.
1: So huge muscles on male heroes aren’t exactly sexualizing but isn’t the end effect the same? I.e. feeling inadequate and unhappy with ones body?
2: I’ve heard multiple times that being #yolked is a “male power fantasy”. But what is the female equivalent of that, aesthetically speaking?

The fact that he joined the site 10 hours ago to just talk on this thread says all we need to know.

I wonder if the admins could institute a policy that once you create an account, all comments are moderated (or just not allowed) for the first 72 hours after account creation. That would take care of the same day influx of trolls from reddit and twitter when anything even vaguely progressive is posted on the site.

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The GOT was totally derailing, which I admittedly took part in. Can you prove that “everything” is a derailment to me? Um, no. You’re making shit up again.

I don’t accept the assumed, unstated position that objectification, sexualization and nudity are always bad.

No one said that! I mean for fuck’s sake, look at my later comments about The Avenger butts. You and that other guy are still cut from the same cloth, dude.

Christ. Can you at least try?

Try to what?

I also think, maybe naively, that the thing to do is complain about the current state if you don’t like it and maybe you’ll bring about change. But plenty of people already know to complain, and are complaining, so I say, “Great. Carry on.” And when I say that it doesn’t mean I have no idea what my point is, it means I think you are doing exactly the right thing by complaining. But I get to complain too, if I want. Everyone gets to complain. That’s kind of obvious, too, which is why after you complained and I said I wasn’t arguing I didn’t add much more.

Try to converse coherently. I still have no idea what you’re trying to say in relation to this conversation. Yeah so your friend does pin up and some other not half bad pin up stuff you like exists. So? Say something that adds to the conversation at hand, please.

Try to focus more on the actual topic and less on calling people incoherent or mansplaining or any of the numerous other ad hominem attacks I could quote from you in this thread.

The same damn Generalization of advocacy of human justice against Classism, Sexism, and Racism. We don’t ask for censorship of “Toxic Ideals” but to get people to realize that No One Is Equal, even in this Day and Age.

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It’s definitely related. But consider the differences in how someone would behave, in trying to overcome that sense of inadequacy.

Ahhh did I hurt your feelings? Calm down, man! Get a grip. Stop with the hysterics. Get a sense of humor. Why are you so sensitive and easily offended?

That’s still not the topic, I’m afraid. (and I got that you were using the word ‘hysterical’ the first time you did it with a different male in the thread. Just wanted you to know it didn’t go unappreciated)

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Dude, I was being sarcastic. Seriously, get a sense of humor.

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I was just appreciating your humor.

Cool story, bro.

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I would like to hear about the experiences of women who are making their own comics in their own way. I know there is at least one such person in the thread, because I was curious when she ‘hearted’ something and I looked at her profile and saw that she was a comic creator. I don’t recall exactly who it was, though, but if you fit that description I’d like to hear about your experience in that area.

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Now, this I can get down with.