doctorow at December 20th, 2013 21:00 — #1
newliminted at December 20th, 2013 21:12 — #2
We need that occasional reminder.
dloburns at December 20th, 2013 21:24 — #3
We can't have books be too sweary incase they might get dirty ideas
crenquis at December 20th, 2013 21:31 — #4
He needs to ask for Grey Is the Color of Hope by Irina Ratushinskaya.
The gulag memoirs of a brave woman, a distinguished dissident and poet--Ratushinskaya gives her account of the four years she spent in a "strict regime" labor camp at Barashevo, where she endured several types of abuse.
nonfer at December 20th, 2013 21:32 — #5
funny about the dostoyevsky v. orwell.
it's almost as ironic as the politicians falling in love with the fountainhead. for those who haven't read this because they found it awkward in it's phrasing: it was written by ayn rand (a recent immigrant fleeing oppression only to find the same in a new and unfamiliar environment) about how the nature of man's inhumanity to man would never reach a height grand enough to cease. personally, i wonder how 1984 fares as a prison/jail selection nationwide.
websta at December 20th, 2013 21:48 — #6
Honest question: So there was one guy who was released from Guatanamo and he went right off to become a terrorist, right? So no one else can be let out, they say(?). And these guys are very, very removed from any ways to actually do or inform or perpetuate any terrorist activity (right?).
So, why the ultra-strict measures? Especially at this point? Why the harsh treatment? What is the justification? Wouldn't it be much cheaper and easier to do things more like a regular jail?
myopichumanist at December 20th, 2013 22:43 — #7
I'm not sure that Ayn Rand's stuff is supposed to be satire. Of course, I also believe that Machiavelli wrote The Prince as satire. Either way, they're not blueprints to be followed.
I still don't understand why we think regular jails can't hold these guys if they're actually guilty. Hah! Oh wait. They're not actually convicted of anything. Real jails require a conviction of some sort, even if your evidence is entirely lies.
nonfer at December 20th, 2013 23:15 — #8
it's not satire. read the miserable treatment of the english language if you feel like it. she wrote that in response to finding more cruelty after fleeing cruelty. she has said so.
as to something as dated as machiavelli's the prince, you are lame.
you need to grow up. want to try jail/prison? do something you don't regret, ever.
ffabian at December 21st, 2013 04:17 — #9
It seems there is some circular reasoning on part of the US Gov: Lock people up because they probably hate us and will do bad things because of it. Torture and treat them miserably while imprisoned to make sure they hate us so we can't let them go.
ashen_victor at December 21st, 2013 05:08 — #10
I call it The Wheel of Puke.
Somehow I find it the best analogy.
wrecksdart at December 21st, 2013 13:51 — #11
I wasn't aware they could censor books given to prisoners. That seems worse than withholding the book in the first place.
It wouldn't reverse all the things currently wrong with our government to shut down Guatanamo, but it certainly would be a great start.
retchdog at December 21st, 2013 14:35 — #12
They confiscated… The Gulag Archipelago…
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA Ha hahah ha.
Oh fuck, we're doomed.
aliceweir at December 21st, 2013 16:01 — #13
I don't want them on that wall!
doctorow at December 25th, 2013 21:00 — #14
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