doctorow — 2013-11-13T10:45:50-05:00 — #1
jandrese — 2013-11-13T10:49:05-05:00 — #2
Wait, what? The treaty is being fast tracked through Congress even though other countries have not signed on? What is going on here? That doesn't make any sense.
nettdata — 2013-11-13T12:07:11-05:00 — #3
It's not about making sense, it's about making money.
lostboy — 2013-11-13T12:47:13-05:00 — #4
This free internet ride thingy seems to be drawing to a close. Blockbuster shall return!!!
jardine — 2013-11-13T12:58:08-05:00 — #5
Pass it in one place and they can start pushing for other countries to "harmonize" their laws.
dacree — 2013-11-13T12:58:43-05:00 — #6
It really doesn't matter if anyone else signs on to the treaty. The idea is that if the US signs on to the treaty, those in power can get allot of laws passed with no votes and no oversight. And, since treaties have the same weight as constitutional amendments, once we sign on to the treaty, those laws become very very difficult to get rid of.
I think the 'other countries' are more of a red herring and not really important to the ultimate goal of this treaty.
Who can say what that goal may be; certainly not our lawmakers, representatives, and press.
Secret courts, secret laws, secret treaties
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jons — 2013-11-13T13:07:26-05:00 — #7
We're having TPP shoved down our throat too, so sympathetic coverage of this leak in traditional local media in 1 ... 2 ... 3 ... c'mon guys ... 10 .... 11 ... 12 ... any time now ... 88 ... 89 ... 90 ... this week would be good ... 562 ... 563 ... 564 ... ok, how about before the treaty passes then? ... 4286 ... 4287 ... 4288 ... I has a sad ... 11364 ... 11365 ... 11366 ... guys? ...
sargemisfit — 2013-11-13T13:09:30-05:00 — #8
Shared it via social media, getting the word out.
From the TorrentFreak article; "plans the creation of intellectual property rights on data." Just imagine FaceBorg et al having this power.
epinardscaramel — 2013-11-13T13:29:50-05:00 — #9
Man, Wikileaks needs a redesign !
I'd feared that wikileaks would have a harder time finding leaks, with Chelsea Mannings now behind bars.
anthonyc — 2013-11-13T14:14:44-05:00 — #10
AFAIK, and IANAL, most treaties are not self-executing. Also, the federal government can withdraw from treaties just like any other law (though other parties get angry about that sort of thing).
Regardless, I agree with your second paragraph.
sargemisfit — 2013-11-13T14:27:53-05:00 — #11
I went looking for alternatives and options, found Project Meshnet: https://projectmeshnet.org/
Another thought. If that "data is IP" happens, can't we use it to protect data about ourselves?
dacree — 2013-11-13T14:41:11-05:00 — #12
Quite right. Congress must vote on it and laws must be passed to enforce its provisions. But, since it's all so very secret and considering our history of passing things without reading them, it will most likely be passed without significant review. Once passed, it is just a few lobbyist lunches before laws are enacted to enforce the treaties provisions.
dacree — 2013-11-13T14:43:01-05:00 — #13
Only if you collect the data is it yours. Data collected by another entity would be owned by that entity.
sargemisfit — 2013-11-13T15:30:32-05:00 — #14
I understand that. I imagine we're going to see changes happening to the various ToS' and EULAs out there that would grant them total rights to exploiting the data. Yet, perhaps there are ways that we, individually and collectively, can retain some control over our "data IP".
sargemisfit — 2013-11-13T18:31:42-05:00 — #15
doctorow — 2013-11-18T10:46:00-05:00 — #16
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