Since any previous moments to this one are no longer available, sure, this is a good time.
Also, that kind of conspiratorial backbiting and spinning up of betrayal narratives, instead of facing the fact that Sanders was and is not as popular as his fans like to think, does nothing to make Sanders and the progressives hitching their political wagon to him more palatable to anyone else. Quite the opposite, in fact.
I have no direct personal experience on this (since I’m not American), but I’ve seen quite a few people across the 'net who, despite agreeing with Sanders on a lot of things, were turned off by the “our way or highway”, “If you’re not with us then you’re against us” attitude of his political fandom.
Biden’s playing by Biff’s rules on Biff’s territory, just as I expected. That Biff will respond with a hissyfit only means that a 2020 campaign resembling “who’s the toughest kid in the schoolyard” will escalate.
We could have had a Dem campaign based on policy and ability to deal with a crisis responsibly. Instead we’ll have two old white men trying to out-bully each-other.
Well, the continuing chicanery of the Dem establishment has to be pointed out, all the more so because they didn’t have to engage in it to get their preferred neoliberal-lite candidate the nomination.
The problem is not with the large number of Sanders supporters who accept that premise and will still hold their noses and vote for Biden, but rather with the small subset of loud-mouthed privileged white brocialists who make that a reason to disengage entirely from the Dems instead of continuing Sanders’ (and Warren’s, and AOC’s, etc.) efforts to reform the party in the long term and instead of helping to defeat Il Douche in the short term.
I’ve struggled for a long time now with how to think about voters who (idiotically, it seems to me) turn away from a candidate because of the behavior of some of his fans, rather than because of the candidate himself.
“fans” not supporters is telling in itself.
Hmmm…
Seems rather… jingoistic.
I’m not seeing how that’s a response to the sexism post?
It’s not? It looks like a response to the thread, not the post, to me. Is the bbs showing you something different?
Yeah, and as wanderfound’s links below it point out, totes racist/sinophobic too.
I’ve heard warnings that during the election runup, Trump will deceitfully adopt leftwing promises, maybe even healthcare for all and free college, to outflank Biden. Very sad to not only see Biden basically doing that from the other side, but also to suspect he’s not being deceitful. The track record of this Republican in Dem’s clothing makes it all too easy to think he really believes this shit.
It did - now it doesn’t. Probably a phone glitch
I’m making a distinction between Sanders’ supporters, and his fans.
The former tend to be motivated by the goals and policies of Bernie Sanders, and when they can’t have everything they want, they’ll take what they can get, on the principle that something is better than nothing, and perfect is the enemy of good, and push for more the next time.
The latter are the people who are invested in Sanders’ outsider role, and the promises of a revolution. They’re the ones who are saying they’re not going to vote in the election if they can’t vote for Bernie, or even threaten to vote for Trump if they can’t have everything they want. They’re the people calling Warren a snake and pouring on misogynistic attacks, or raging about “low-information black voters” who don’t know what they’re doing, or calling John Lewis “a Judas” for endorsing Biden (saw this happen on another site), or claiming that there is no difference between Biden and Trump, et cetera. They’re much fewer in number than regular, sane Sanders supporters, but they are far from nonexistent, and they are far louder and more visible online than they should be, considering their small numbers. And they are genuinely driving people away from Sanders, because they’re hella toxic
Down ticket: Wall Street got a former Republican to make a suicide primary run against AOC. “Female, Latino, hyphenated name. We’ve checked all the boxes, how can this not work?”
I can’t believe that not one of the signatories of the letter stopped to ask themselves, “hey, how would we have reacted 50 years ago had a bunch of socialists from the 1920s written us a condescending letter telling us whom to vote for, with completely obvious arguments as to why?”
While I agree with the advice in the letter, it is dumb-ass thing to have written.
If only misogyny did not exist…
