2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

How about using it to support women.
And just making candidates responsible for their own actions.

If a candidate endorses a misogynist or soft pedals the right to choose to get some votes - they own those actions. No one else.

Admit your (the candidate) mistake and correct things.

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Pretty much the entire online left screamed at him at the time, and he rapidly dropped it.

“It” being the idea that opposition to abortion should not be an instant single-issue disqualifier for a Democratic candidate. Which again, is (a) wrong and (b) the current operating policy of the Democratic party. Anti-abortion Dem politicians are still quite common, and as far as I am aware none of the candidates are advocating for the expulsion of forced birthers from the party.

When it comes to personal commitment to reproductive freedom, Bernie has one of the best records in American politics. He’s been an unshakeable supporter for decades.

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But but, some of his staffers are somehow antisemitic!!

(So now we’re going to have to listen to the same ridiculous canard that helped sink Corbyn? Fuckin hell.)

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im gonna take a guess that the examiner thinks any criticism of the apartheid-like policies of the state of israel qualify as anti-semitism. thats basically the only thing the right in america seems to care about when it comes to jewish issues…

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Diverting to what about other Dems and the Dem establishments and the guy down the street isn’t how I judge a candidate.

And having supporters continually do so makes me nervous as their guy is someone who is perfect - can do no wrong- and obviously shouldn’t be held accountable as himself. That’s a disaster waiting to happen. It makes me consider seriously if he can be my guy.

That worshipfulness is a deal breaker.

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It’ll be harder for the U.S. corporate media to pin the label of anti-Semite on Sanders like the British press did with Corbyn. Bernie isn’t afraid to discuss the distinction between Likud and Israel and Jewish people in general, which tends to stymie that attack. And if it turns out there are campaign staffers making the sort of anti-Semitic statements that some Labour MPs made, I doubt that Sanders would let them stay on.

That said, the NYT and other outlets are already pushing another line about the “lessons” of the UK election for the Dems: that Corbyn lost because of his progressive policies (instead of his crappy leadership and his dithering on Brexit) and maybe, y’know, the Dems should continue with Third Way establishment policies (like Biden’s or Wall Street Pete’s) if they want to win.

[Edited for clarity]

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Hey Sully:

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https://twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/1205597304625016834

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Sully is such a good little kapo, thinking that throwing trans people under the bus will save a gay man like himself from the Xtianists and hatemongers.

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He’s all for conservative values.

Except when it applies to immigrants (from the U.K.), immigrants (with HIV), his right to marry, his right to smoke weed daily.

They’re great (conservative values) when they’re applied to someone else - and he’s happy to profit personally from the work progressives have done to improve society- but - he needs to pull that ladder up after he’s above the flood waters. And use the tactics that were used against him on those undesirables. Maybe they won’t notice I’m here? And what’s the fun in reaching medallion status if you can’t crap on the plebes?

You know - an asshole.

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This is a false equivalence.

Clinton, saying that she could in some hypothetical situation consider alternate solutions to the abortion debate or Pelosi conceding that “anyone” could be a democrat in response to reporters’ questions does not have the same gravity or follow through as twice endorsing anti- woman candidates as well as dismissing “women issuses as distractions”, and claiming that concerns about race, sex, should be ignored in the name of socialism uber alles.

https://www.npr.org/2017/04/20/524962482/sanders-defends-campaigning-for-anti-abortion-rights-democrat

I like Sander’s policies, but he continues to do and say things that demonstrate to me that he isn’t going to be there for women when the rubber hits the road.

There is no shortage of progressive misogynists and racists. Bernie seems eager to capture them to further his agenda.

Edits: mobile typos

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Tiana Lowe:

Clue for those unfamiliar with the history:

And while we’re at it:

That “Bernie’s campaign is antisemitic” piece is literally Nazi propaganda.

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Are you implying that I said that when what I quoted was the opposite of that?

Please take my name off those words.

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Of course not.

My apologies for the confusion; edited.

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Thank you

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It sounds like she’s excited about this news from Iowa

Klobuchar rising?

Voters brought up Amy Klobuchar much more than expected.

The senator from neighboring Minnesota has invested big in Iowa, and she leaned into her Midwestern roots at a forum sponsored by the Teamsters. Klobuchar joked about her home state Minnesota Vikings, the rival Green Bay Packers, and Big Ten football.

The senator, 59, would seem to split the difference in age and experience between others competing for the moderate mantle: the 77-year-old Biden and 37-year-old Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Ind.

Polling suggests rising interest: Klobuchar has consistently placed fifth in major Iowa polls since mid-November, a kind of “best of the rest" status after the Big Four (Biden, Buttigieg, Sanders and Warren). She hit 10% support in an Emerson College survey released this week, her best showing yet. She has set herself up as a potential dark horse in the state.

Klobuchar leaned into the electability argument, stressing that she has won every election she has run in a closely balanced state, securing majorities in even deep red congressional districts.

“The most important thing is going to be to win,” Klobuchar told the Teamsters."I have won every race, every place, every time.”

People who support Biden and Buttigieg typically point to winning Pennsylvania and Upper Midwest states as a priority in 2020. Klobuchar might be a middle ground for those middle-of-the-road voters.

I’m kinda hoping she pushes Pete out of the race

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In fact, he just fired a staffer last week exactly for this reason. Corbyn would have campaigned for the guy.

You can’t really hold a candidate responsible for the intolerance of his supporters. Well, maybe a little bit, but Sanders is just about as good a human being as we could imagine in the office at this point in time. And I say this as someone who the doctrinairians on this forum probably think is in the back pocket of John Delaney.

Back of the envelope calc.

There are 600 billionaires in the US. Three (by self report) are running for President.

So - saying that there’s 25 others running- you’re roughly 114,000 times more likely to be a candidate for President if you’re a billionaire.

One man, 114,000 votes.

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https://www.twopartyopera.com/comic/electability/

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Nothing new. The founders were all enormously wealthier than the average colonist.

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None of the founders who were elected President were billionaires in today’s dollars- even Washington- rich as he was - was 100 times less wealthy than Bloomberg.

Several founders weren’t rich. 20% of previous preznits weren’t even millionaires.

The scale of disparity from these billionaires to those they would govern is unparalleled in US history. It’s more akin to royalty then a democracy.

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