2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine (Part 1)

I find simply ignoring that (sometimes having to press ESC) and carrying on as normal works ok.

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I know that it doesn’t stop you posting the link again The real problem is that the preview still has the original headline.

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Hmm - hadn’t found that so far. Must pay more attention.

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Well, that was fast.

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" Turkish president says he will not approve Sweden and Finland’s NATO membership if they sanction Turkey"

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The Guardian liveblog this evening has a series of reports about developments at the Mariupol steelworks - this is the latest one, but there have been several things reported over the past few hours.

Zelenskiy confirms evacuation of wounded troops from Azovstal steelworks

The evacuation of wounded Ukrainian troops from the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol is under way, V olodomyr Zelenskiy confirmed, with more than 260 fighters transported out of the plant.

We hope that we will be able to save the lives of our guys,” the Ukrainian president said of the evacuation.

Hanna Malyar, Ukraine’s deputy defense minister, said that 53 injured troops have been taken to a hospital in the Russian-controlled town of Novoazovsk and that more than 200 others were transported through a corridor to Olenivka. All evacuees will be returned home through prisoner exchanges, Malyar said.

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Russia basically forced Sweden and Finland to join NATO and then threatens & complains when they move to do so. After seeing what atrocities Russia is capable of committing, it would be absolutely irresponsible to not seek joining some manner of defensive pact.

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Finally, after several weeks, I have a name to put to her face.

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Olga Vladimirovna Skabeyeva, pronounced “Kellyanne Conway”.

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“Scabby Eva” sounds bad enough already :confused:

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So, either these Russian opinion makers are seeing the light, or the Russian state is ready to call it quits and has authorized this dissent as a way of winding down this Z-madness

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Either way, :+1:

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Holy cow. 400 soldiers killed or wounded out of a battalion of 550 is less a “battle” than a massacre. Any Russian invaders who made it out of there alive aren’t going to be spreading any morale-building stories about the Ukrainians being a bunch of pushovers.

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Ukraine forces in Mariupol evacuated to Russian-held Ukrainian cities.

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The fact that all the commenters quoted focused on unspecified ‘commanders’ and ‘generals’, and their incompetence(or “not idiocy, but direct sabotage.”); sounds an awful lot like they are going for the very specific “Cannot fail; it can only be failed” flavor of criticism.

It’s definitely a departure from just insisting that everything is going perfectly according to plan; but it’s a criticism squeezed carefully between the still sacrosanct actors at the top and the bottom(yes, the generals are incompetent and the supplies are lacking; but that doesn’t imply that Great Leader was incompetent, negligent, or outright has blood on his hands just because he sent an incompetently led and undersupplied army up against a foe he badly underestimated to achieve questionable objectives by objectionable means…And while they are ill-supplied and being betrayed by their incompetent leaders Our Soldiers are, not, of course, ill-trained, unprofessional, questionably motivated, indiscriminate butchers; or otherwise anything but heroes of the motherland) and aimed at a bunch of only vaguely specified and unsympathetic middle management who apparently deserve all the blame.

I certainly have no interest in fighting for the honor of the Russian commanding officers here, they certainly don’t appear to be doing a good job; but it’s a very specific, and limited, type of criticism when the only failure being admitted to is that of some generals who are stabbing our war in the back and may need to be purged to get the success back on track.

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