That would also trigger a NATO response.
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Not by treaty, though. Hawai’i is excluded by Article 6.
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Wait, really?
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Wikipedia says its true:
Article 6. Article 6 states that the treaty covers only member states’ territories in Europe and North America, Turkey and islands in the North Atlantic north of the Tropic of Cancer, plus French Algeria.
It does exclude Hawaii. TIL.
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But Hawaii isn’t a territory anymore, so it’s protected as one of the 50 states, right?
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It was the opinion in August 1965 of the US State Department, the US Defense Department and the legal division of NATO that an attack on the U.S. state of Hawaii would not trigger the treaty, but an attack on the other 49 would.71
It would however, trigger a full response from the US, and would only not end up as a NATO war if the US and Russia decided to limit it to a small regional war in the south pacific. This seems unlikely.
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That’s actually horrifying to learn.
An attack on Hawaii – BEFORE it was a state – got us into WWII, FFS.
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Huh - I did not realize this until today either. I guess North Atlantic means North Atlantic 
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Not really if Hawaii is excluded but Vancouver Island is not.
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Article 6 was always a “We’re not fighting to retain your colonies” move on the part of the USA. Not that it worked, of course. France still managed to let them goad themselves into supporting and then continuing its colonial war in Indochina.
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Learn something new every day…
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What about Puerto Rico?
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Yes, Nope, not covered. It’s a territory north south of the Tropic of Cancer.
“on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France 2, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;”
ETA: HA, oh my. It’s of course just south. In a different tab I was chatting with someone about Cuba, and my brain disengaged. Duh. Time to log off.
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So when did they move it?
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He has been, yes. But he’s also very old. He may well have slid into senescent dumb evil.
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And…
Russia’s defence ministry said civil vessels may safely use the Azov Sea port, in the occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol, as it had eliminated the danger from mines.
The ministry said yesterday that Russian forces had completed removing mines in the port and nearby waters.
Riiiiight. Whatever you say.
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And a catch-up on the Guardian’s liveblog a quarter of an hour ago (22.55 local time)
Catch up
Officials in Ukraine have admitted that Russia has the “upper hand” in fighting in the country’s east. The governor of the Luhansk region, Serhiy Haidai, said just 5% of the area now remained in Ukrainian hands – down from about 10% little more than a week ago – and that Ukrainian forces were retreating in some areas.
At least seven civilians were killed and 17 injured, including a child, by Russian shelling in the city of Kharkiv in north-east Ukraine, regional authorities have said. Residents have been urged to go to, or remain in, shelters. The claims have not been independently verified.
The Kremlin has rejected claims that Russia has blocked grain exports from Ukraine, blaming the west for creating such a situation by imposing sanctions on Russia. The UK’s foreign minister, Liz Truss, accused Vladimir Putin of “weaponising” hunger through Russia’s blockade of Ukrainian grain exports. A senior Turkish official said Ankara was in “ongoing” talks with Russia and Ukraine to open a corridor via the Bosphorus.
Two captured Russian soldiers have pleaded guilty to shelling a town in eastern Ukraine, in the second war crimes trial since Russian troops invaded the country. Alexander Bobikin and Alexander Ivanov acknowledged being part of an artillery unit that fired at targets in the Kharkiv region from Russia’s Belgorod region.
There are about 8,000 Ukrainian prisoners of war held in the Russian-backed self-proclaimed Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics , the Luhansk official Rodion Miroshnik has said. “ That’s a lot, and literally hundreds are being added every day,” Miroshnik was quoted by the Russian Tass news agency as saying.
The deputy prime minister of the Russian-appointed Crimean government, Georgy Muradov, has said the Sea of Azov is “forever lost to Ukraine”. Russia’s Ria news agency also quoted a Russian-appointed official in the occupied Zaporizhzhia region as saying that the Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions would never be returned to the control of the Kyiv.
Russia has deployed mobile propaganda vans with large-screen televisions to humanitarian aid points in the captured city of Mariupol. The Orwellian turn comes as the Kremlin continued to push forward with efforts to integrate newly occupied territories across the south of Ukraine.
Antony Blinken, the US secretary of state, has said China’s cooperation with Vladimir Putin after his invasion of Ukraine “raises alarm bells”. Blinken criticised the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, for defending Putin’s “war to erase Ukraine’s sovereignty” and said it was “a charged moment for the world”.
Alexander Lukashenko, the Belarusian president who is a close Putin ally, has ordered the creation of a new military command for the south of the country bordering Ukraine. The Belarusian armed forces previously said they would deploy special operations troops in three areas near its southern border with Ukraine. Lukashenko has also talked up the role of Russian-made missiles in boosting the country’s defences.
Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine’s Foreign Minister, said that “weapons, weapons and weapons again” are what the country needs. Russia still has a weapons advantage, and Ukraine needs “more heavy weapons. Without these, we won’t be able to push them back,” he said in a Twitter q & a.
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(Ms. Venediktova is the Prosecutor General of Ukraine)
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