Did people writing about Jeremy know better? If anyone has a time machine, maybe try making a porn actress or even any woman associating with porn getting raped sympathetic in, like, 1995 though. If writers encountered this information it likely would have sounded like “some shady dirty women with complaints” at worst and “a bit Bukowski” at best so the conclusion I come to isn’t that they’re lazy, it’s that they just saw it as a non-story because our culture already accepted it to that extent.
So, can I ask what it is you do?
Informative. Now that you mention it, there did seem to be a lot of cameo appearances of various actors. I imagine that still goes on to a degree.
I’m a psychologist studying sex and sexual offending patterns.
I get the feeling that just by studying RJ alone you will have a complete encyclopedia set.
The Woody Allen question… Can you separate the art from the person? I for one will always treasure his scene with Angel West in Taboo 3.
Jeremy in particular is pretty notorious as a miser and cheapskate. I once saw him at LAX carrying his luggage in plastic grocery bags.
That was kind of his schtick. I remember him saying in an interview once that he didn’t want to lose weight because it would hurt his “every man” image.
It was definitely jarring to see how thin he had become in the pictures in the article @AnthonyI posted.
Can you separate the art from the puffery?
During the 90s a friend told me 1/3 of the world’s pr0n was produced in SE Asia, and the other 2/3 was produced w/in a 20 mile radius of Los Angeles. /shudder
I lived an hour’s drive (w/o traffic) inland from el lay for two years, and the vibe was creepy AF. When we’d visit el lay proper, the vibe got even worse the closer we got.
To make it in LA, you really gotta sell yourself.
I’m surprised that Japan isn’t included in those figures. Japan makes a LOT of porn.
That is true. An awful lot is apparently also produced in Thailand.
There’s no business like show business.
ETA: Not to make light of the article nor the discussion, rather to provide much needed grins after such a sordid tale:
I think about this a lot. For me, if my enjoyment of the art will in any way enrich the person, I won’t do it on principle. But if it’s, say, listening to a song i love but by a person who later turned out to be evil in some way, if I already own the record, I’m gonna keep enjoying that song. One of my good friends is more hard core. She won’t even watch/listen to anything by someone who turned out to be a baddie.
I’m somewhere in between. I still have some Ted N. in my music collection that I haven’t listened to in decades, but that won’t stop me from watching a movie that has Harvey Weinstein* in the credits, even though it creeps me out to see his name show up.
Yeah, I think it makes a difference (feelings-wise) too if the person is the performer your watching versus someone who works behind the scenes more. Like, I know now Joss Whedon is a creep, but watching old episodes of his shows doesn’t make me feel too icky.
But I can’t imagine ever again watching the Cosby Show, which was a big favorite growing up.
Was part of this influenced by Boogie Nights, which had the narrative advantage of not being about real people?
Okay, but then there’s the problem of thinking of pretty much anything at all that Ron Jeremy did as “art.”
Haha, for sure!
I’ve never seen any of his stuff and don’t intend to, but was responding to someone’s (very likely sarcastic) comment on the topic in general.
I think about it a lot, but still haven’t really penetrated the issue.
I guess you could make more of an “art” argument for his early work. Like much of the porn of the time there were actual plots, characters, motivations, etc.
Yeah, or maybe it’s less about art and more about, “do you separate the product from the producer?” It’s not really that different.
I feel like whether I watch a show or something makes very little difference really. If I avoid an artist, entertainer, or celebrity because of something bad they’ve done it’s usually because I just don’t want to deal with that while I’m trying to relax and enjoy something and realistically me sitting there being uncomfortable isn’t doing anyone any good.
Looking at when Boogie Nights came out, I’d guess it caught the early crossover wave right at a time when it was kind of hip to look at porn as a more legit lifestyle. I think Jeremy and Jenna Jameson had already established themselves as influencer types by 97 but that’s definitely right when things started picking up for some others.