$999 monitor stand explained

Can anyone show me the professional setting where $1k for a monitor stand is a thing? I’ve worked as an assistant editor on actual television shows, working on an Avid work station that cost more than some houses. I’ve worked in production departments for large corporate communications companies doing large scale, live studio video. I have friends working in post at major network news rooms.

And across the board those sorts of corporate buyers and pros. Are using the same pack in monitor stands as anyone else. Where things get fancy you’re talking VESA mount monitor arms that run a few hundred dollars. And about as expensive as it gets is a wall mount arm capable of holding multiple monitors. Still coming in at less than half what Apple’s stand costs. And Apple’s stand is less capable. Its signature feature is that it rotates to landscape. Something even cheap pack in stands have had for over a decade. I use a $300 Dell monitor at home, the included stand? It rotates! And it tilts. And has hieght adjustment. And at $200 for a VESA Apple has effectively doubled the cost of the actual professional solution.

There’s a lot of “but its for pros” on Apple’s new announcements. But noone seems to be checking what the actual pros use and what they pay for it. And it vastly misunderstands how this sort of buying works, having a large budget does not mean spend whatever you want, costs don’t matter. You are still given $X to outfit the department for the year A person pricing out multiple monitors to outfit a department will not say “even with the thousand dollar stand its still cheaper than these other monitors so fuck it”. They’re gonna go with the stands they already have or use as standard, because a $600-$800 savings per monitor means you can buy more monitors. Or mics, or another camera. Its money you can use for something more important with an actual impact on how well you can do the job.

The monitors themselves are a good value if they do what they say on the box. Even if they fall short of full reference monitors for certain industries like Cinema and continue Apple’s habit of using non standard resolutions.

The boxes are bit more complicated. They’re on par or a bit more expensive than retail costs for similarly specked work stations. There are cheaper options, and a lot of their competitors have stronger guts at that price. But a lot of “pros” have been pointing out that volume and contract pricing from nearly every other company are thousands less, and Apple does not offer that kind of discounting for corporate customers. So by the standards of what the sort of corporate buyers we’re being told these are for, the new workstations are over priced. Apple seems to be focusing heavily on the modularity and the case. But I’m not sure what utilitarian needs stainless steel serves here, modular tower cases are a dime a dozen these days. And corporate customers seeking that level of customization tend to rack mount such work stations. So I’m not sure if that’s really for the pros. It seems more an attempt to push life span and upgradability after their bad moves on that front. And that was mostly a concern of freelancers and smaller scale pros that have been pretty much priced out

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Then go cut a longer branch. They literally grow on trees.

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Dunno, but I used to work where the industrial desks cost $5,000 dollars each. Not fancy looking, walnut desks, or fancy glass top executive desks, but chunky, modular desks with shelves, for working stiffs.

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Psht… I still have my Mac SE … it is sitting up in my attic… wonder if I can lean a new monitor up against it?

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Using the entire tree might appeal to a new ‘eco’ target group.

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[quote=“Jim_Campbell, post:8, topic:145676, full:true”]
I have a 2012 macbook pro. The only upgrades have been to put a 1TB solid state hard drive in it (that cost about 300 bucks). I hook this up to a cinema display i got around 2005. It all runs beautifully. I may not be rendering 4k or more pixar animation every day, but I do work in 600 dpi photoshop files with dozens of layers with zero problems. I think I’m a “Pro” but i have no need at all for these ridiculously priced pro devices. I actually read somewhere that Apple is having a bit of a problem lately with iphones in that it’s planned obsolescence isn’t working so well… people aren’t ditching old devices as fast because they are expensive and work just fine.[/quote]

Absolutely. And it’s across the board, not just for Apple.

My desktop PC is a tower case I bought back in 2010. Big, expandable, quiet. It’s not quite the same machine though.

  • The power supply failed and was replaced.
  • The video card failed and was replaced - the original was a very expensive nVidia top-of-the-range one, I replaced it with a £99 card with the same amount of RAM and compute units, because I was perfectly happy with the performance and didn’t see the need to spend more and upgrade. (Amusingly, when replacing it I was left wondering momentarily what to do with the second power supply cable, before it dawned on me that the “new” card was that much more efficient that it didn’t need two power cables.)
  • The RAM failed and was replaced. It had been 4x4Gb sticks, so I replaced it with 2x8Gb sticks. A spot of trial and error and I found two of the old 4Gb sticks were fine, so I now have 2x8Gb and 2x4Gb for a total of 24Gb.
  • The HDD - a 1Tb 10,000rpm device - was replaced with a 1Tb SSD. The old HDD is still in there as a “scratch disk” for temporary data storage.
  • There are two new 4Tb disks (rotating rust, can’t recall the speed, don’t care) for local backups and media/archive storage.

This was not a cheap machine, but it wasn’t Mac Pro prices. The processor is a Core i7, so has four cores - it’s fine for what I need.

I replace failed components. I upgraded to an SSD. This might be my last ever PC, in the same way that Theseus only had one ship.

Apple has gone another way with their machines these days, making them hostile to the kind of user servicing I’ve done. I’m not interested in a debate on whether that’s right or wrong - it’s their choice, and therefore their customer’s choice.

But even without upgrades current Apple machines will no doubt be adequate in five year’s time. Back in 1995-2005 if you’d said your laptop would last five years people would assume you were either crazy or a huge tightwad.

Phones are undergoing a similar replacement slowdown. Now people make them last for two to three years, where they used to get a new one each year.

Eventually it’ll be software support that’s the final arbiter. I had to retire a netbook a while ago partly because Chrome doesn’t have a 32-bit version any more. For any bit of hardware you buy this year, it will almost certainly be software support that will dictate its lifespan (assuming no damage).

Apple are pretty good with their software support and updates for older hardware. So I guess they’ve got to make their money somewhere…

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The most expensive Apple Watch was the 38mm 18K yellow gold with bright red strap and modern buckle. (17 grand) I’m sure it looked quite spiffy in real life.

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Apple gets a hefty cut of the profits though! :roll_eyes:

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Sure. But “stacked mac mini peripherals” is definitely a thing and I’m surprised there isn’t a matching eGPU. Someone must have one in the works.

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Well there are BETTER Dells, let’s put it that way.

And while I do like my Macbook pro - there are design flaws that haunt it and if you tune in to people who repair them, you get some horror stories.

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A very few people need a machine that’s state of the art for 2019. You don’t.

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I understand that, but all large consumable tech companies have financing available for their wares; Apple is not alone in this, so its really unrealistic and not real criticism to say “Oh they shouldn’t have done this”. The fair criticism is to ask why Apple couldn’t have forced a different APR structure for its consumers, instead they are allowing Barclay to do what they do and not protecting their customers at all. Which is NOT surprising since they are also the same company that sells their phones for a higher and higher price each model with little if any actual improvements; and now this ridiculous $1000 stand. So expecting Apple to “do the right thing” is sort of silly since they have NEVER don’t that to begin with.

Additionally it is inaccurate to say “Apple is a finance company” they are absolutely not. They are not a financial services firm in any capacity. Which is a more important distinction in my view.

The whole thing stinks. And for me it takes my pride in Apple’s products that I once had and puts it through a blender.

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Also funny: to see people who had complained vocally about Apple’s lack of truly “pro” gear denouncing it when it finally came along, because it was too pro.

Yes, this certainly was remarkable… I think people were actually looking for some “prosumer” hardware, but sorta caught the bus on this one. It’s too bad this MacPro wasn’t what they released in 2013, when many of the actual pro market hadn’t already switched to PC. Now that they have, apple will fail to sell the $6k base-models to the prosumer market, and might also struggle to get studios to buy the loaded work stations, since many have already invested in other hardware. (Basically all architecture firms are on windows-based machines at this point - this is an exaggeration, but not far off from what I’ve seen)

With the original cheese-grater, you could buy the base-model 8-core xeon machine with 8gigs ram for around $3500, well within reach of the prosumer… and it was still an incredible machine if you were a pro, since you could trick the thing out for $10K and fill a closet full of them (and they lasted 10 years!). I think this is what many were expecting: a machine that bridged the gap between prosumer and pro.

The market has striated more now though and there is more than enough power available for most prosumer apps, which don’t need error-correcting ram or dual xeon processors. Simulation, 3d rendering, 8k video, fancy math applications… they need that stuff, which is where the new MacPro is targeted.

I really do think the reaction is a bit of a shame, because the new MacPro is a beast and competitively priced when compared to its actual competitors (not gaming rigs, but xeon work stations). It’s just not meant for the prosumer like the original cheese-grater was. Still, they did cheap out by giving the base model kinda weak specs. But for those who need the power, I have no doubt it will be an awesome tool for the money… You just wont see the home-user picking this thing up, and unfortunately, I don’t think freelance pros like myself can justify the cost when the consumer-grade hardware is probably more appropriate to the task.

I don’t have anything to say about the stand… This is apple… who is surprised at this point?

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Just for reference, here is the entire video interview with english subtitles -

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That’s a bit of a Catch-22 for them, as the reason people pay a premium for their hardware is its quality. Back off the quality and they can’t demand the premium.

Not, like, good Dells:

BETTER Dells:

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That’s largely been the result of serious stagnation or slow downs in CPU development. Along with improvements in component stability and longevity. Just on the CPU side, chips used to straight fry themselves if they got too hot. And running them too hot for too long or too often vastly increased the chances of failure. Now a days they throttle themselves long before they hit the toast range. And dynamically adjust their speed according to workload to keep temps and power consumption as low as is practical at any given time. So they just live longer.

And to a certain extent the lack of upgrade pathways on Macs over this same period hasn’t been Apple’s fault. But Intel’s. Their habit of putting out a new chipset or socket with each release and no backwards compatibility or updated by bios features for older boards means upgrade pathways for Intel systems are limited to what was available when originally purchased. That didn’t exactly matter when nothing much changed generation to generation.

But things are shaking up rapidly right now. There’s a bunch of new standards, connectors, memory and drive types proliferating. And AMD’s been doing a lot to make higher core counts and hyperthreading standard in consumer machines. Which means software will first start to take advantage of those more, and eventually require it.

The only time I’ve needed to trade up rather than wanted to do so has been at points like this. Wake up one day and oh shit I can’t fix this thing because they no longer make IDE drives, and theres no auch thing as a SATA plug on motherboards for my bits. We’re edging right up on one of those right now.

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My kids have shown me various memes with this guy’s laugh (so trolololololol).

The Mac Pro is priced above ye average designer level and into the workstation or video pro shop territory. And the display is overkill for what a designer needs as well (how many folks are stitching together giant matte paintings for film?) So a display stand that is also overkill seems right on the beam. There are systems for us lowly mortals as well: mini, iMac, MBPro. Maybe not quite as elegantly expandable, but a mess of cables and boxes can always hide under your desk or behind your screens.

No support whatsoever for Nvidia? ouch (or as my kids say: OOF!)

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Some decades back I did some work for an America’s Cup racing yacht team. I remember charging what I felt was an outrageous fee for my services but one that my customer considered moderate. One of the guys showed me a picture of one of their 21 meter sailboats - they had several - and pointed at one of the winches used for tightening and slackening the lines to the sails. It was maybe a foot across and had handles for turning it. There were a good number of them on the deck. He told me that each one cost $50K. That’s about $95K today. I would have guessed maybe a few hundred dollars, since I knew that everything marine grade was insanely overpriced. They were professionals and wanted a professional grade winch. This made me feel very professional.

I have no idea if any professionals are going to buy Apple’s monitor stand. Maybe it does work better in some way I’d never recognize as an amateur. If you reconfigure often, precise placement and quick magnetic assembly might be the deal makers. A professional might even want a more even feel when adjusting it. I remember Bang and Olufsen used to sell stereo systems with everything critically damped, so you could slam the turntable lid shut and not shake the playing arm. You find this kind of critical damping on high end toilet seats nowadays. [Insert professional joke here.] As a landlubber, I sure wouldn’t be able to tell a $100 winch from $100K winch, so I’ll just see how happy Apple is with the sales figures.

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That man is a meme.

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