A Canadian teenager used America's militarized police to terrorize dozens of women gamers for years

I didn’t actually suggest any such thing. You are just making stuff up.
I was specifically writing about people who are not capable of living in society and so end up in prison, repeatedly. Since in the US you currently have around 2 million people incarcerated, your comment about large communities has already come to pass - as big prisons.
If you go and investigate the units that deal with children with severe behavioural problems, you will find that there are few good outcomes. Many of them will end up self-medicating with illegal drugs and wind up in prison. Others will be unable to earn a living legally and become prolific criminals. A fortunate minority will get into the Army and experience the framework of discipline which enables them to function - but the long term prospects when they leave are not so good. [edit - plus there’s the risk of getting killed, but then if you are a black petty criminal you run that risk too.]
Against that, I’m suggesting that for the ones who are not so violent that they need the current prison system, simple agrarian community living might be a better option. Is that really not better than spending a life going in and out of prison?

But no, you have to try to reverse the direction of my argument completely so you can label me an unethical racist. Perhaps you yourself have some issues?

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TRIGGER WARNING!!! (trigger warnings are always so provocative, don’t ya think?)

This post is Contradictory, with some heavy handed Name-calling to stir the embers of discourse.

Coming from a dubious background of lurking some of the more trolley infested sites among the Inter-webs, this phrase caught my eye.

Some of Obnoxious’s swatting victims took long breaks from streaming, even though it was a major social outlet and an income source for them.

At first glance I assumed this was a typical deviant juvenile, but a niggling seed germinated in my mind. How does playing games become a source of income? Is there that much of a demand to watch people play a game?

As an avid gamer, I had on occasion perused the halls of Twitch. A new game being reviewed upon release, or some hints to maximize my game-playing ability, but neither felt the need to return to a page nor donate money for someone to literally enjoy themselves at my expense. Wracking my brain for a possible reason for such philanthropy ended in the usual rape-apologetic, misogynist answer of “Sex sells.” Usual answer for me, because however comfortable I am in my femininity, I still recognize that I am after-all, a male.

Dissecting my initial image of the perpetrator, armed with this insight into perversion and loneliness, I began to re-construe my prejudice. Imagining a puerile, unwashed, neck-bearded basement dweller’s misguided agenda, became a much clearer picture when focused through the lens of a Reddit lurker, Gamer-gate.

A haven of socially inept pubescent bundles of hormones, with no attributes to endear themselves to other humans, seeking sanctuary in an interactive land of make-believe. These unkempt, homogeneous and patriarchal masses, watched in horror as the cows began to stray from the controlled herd and graze in their rightful (and ONLY) stomping ground. The cries went out to their brethren to round them back up, and beat them back into placid submission.

Whatever side of the Gamer-gate fence we fall on is ultimately absurd, but these particularly active misogynists secretly harbored their envy of feminine wiles. They have no such crutch to support their self-destructive introversion, and here were a collection of defiant wymyn talking equal smack and throwing down with the best, yet were being PAID to do it. I imagine the reaction to being beaten by such a grrrl, must have angered the knuckle-dragger something fierce. Seeing the cleavage of his nemeses as an unfair advantage in Twitch patronage, and being a juvenile, had the strange effects of both fascination and disgust.

Imagine a defiant, deviant, teenager’s inner monologue.

“I will inspect these weapons of my enemy, and diffuse their power over me. I will turn their source of advantage into my joy, and their terror. This way, shall I regain dominance in this field of battle.”

This is a feminine man’s interpretation, and as such may be (admittedly) wildly inaccurate. This is just how I like to impose my personal prejudice upon the things I take note of; I also imagine the lives of complete strangers in Walmart out of boredom. These are cold, cynical, man-tinted glasses, I use to keep the world entertaining. Devoid of love, and human warmth, it’s easy to throw these stones. He was a horny bullying teenage boy, simple. Some girls abused sex for money, simple. Technology shows another hidden thorn amid it’s blossoms, not so simple.

At least someday we can be sure that the robots who replace us will all be reasonable and equal, even if they do end up being created in man’s image.

TL;DR
F**K THE POLICE.

Indeed, I’m using psychopath as a short-hand for person who seems to enjoy the pain that he causes others. Psychopath seems as good a term as others that everyone here understands.

And it allows me to address the central point - that as humans, we are faced with the occasional situation where we face an individual who is very likely to cause widespread harm, but must accept that our chosen morality means that there is no way to protect his future victims. (Mostly because there is some chance that there won’t be any.)

I was not making stuff up, I just made the - apparently mistaken - assumption that you were talking about people who you think are going to end up in prison. As in, “normally, we’d sentence this guy to 12 months in prison, but we have reason to believe that he’ll just re-offend anyway, so lets put him in an agrarian community for life”.

I did not label you a racist, I just pointed out that “There are probably many ethical objections, but” follows the same logical structure as “I am not a racist, but”. It sounds like “I know it is wrong, but I’m going to say it anyway.”
And I did have ethical objections, at least to what I thought you were proposing. Having ethical objections to what you are saying, and voicing them, is not the same thing as labelling you an unethical person.

If you’re suggesting offering that as a voluntary programme, it sounds like a good idea. Sentence a criminal to a year in such a facility, and if they feel they have found a way to live a productive life there, allow them to stay on and make it their home.
Much better than using the whole thing as an excuse to get cheap cannon fodder.

Or, if you’re suggesting reforming the US prison system so that offenders can do their time in those agrarian communities, I’m all for it. It will still be prison, don’t call it “something in between”, because thinking of it that way will lower the threshold for putting people inside.

But it sounded to me like you were proposing to make it easier to put people inside for a long time. Which I strongly object to.

There are three things I object to about the US prison system:

  1. Too many people being imprisoned
  2. People are being imprisoned for excessively long terms
  3. The prisons are too brutal.

As I do not consider what you described as “being free”, it seems to me like you are proposing to address problem #3 only, while possibly making #1 and #2 even worse. My apologies if I misunderstood you.

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And it wasn’t even my coat.

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Thats all I got.

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Don’t worry! I’m here to make sure that doesn’t happen.

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PewDiePie made $7.4 million dollars in 2014 with his gaming videos. Pray tell, what is he “abusing for money”?

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Pretty stupid screed, first you don’t know that there’s plenty of $$ made/to be made from any aspect of gaming, including playing.

Second, you belch out 12 paragraphs of dunce caps steeped in the initial dumb instead of googling two or three words about what you don’t know.

Third, you presume that women can only make dosh in the huge open market that is gaming if they sell sex.

Fourth you impregnate your stupid with disclaimers about how stupid you are and how stupid you intend to be, for credibility.

Dumb screed, brah, but at least you know you’re stick-stone dumb, to bad you revel in it. I’d estimate you’re white, over 40, and ill-equipped to change. Given that you’re in a better position to improve yourself on any of your dumb than so many others, you rank on the low side of pathetic. Get help.

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I’ve been wondering if there’s some systemic reason why it’s possible to dox Twitch streamers. Are they required to disclose their real name / address to the public somewhere? Or is it an unforced error that’s a matter of widespread carelessness?

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I bet @LDoBe knows a lot about this…

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Twitch doesn’t have a real names policy. You can be whoever/whatever you want, and disclose as little or much info as you like.

Case in point:

Cryaotic is a massively popular Youtuber, who has 2.3 million subscribers there, and is also on Twitch. He does Saturday night live streams with people who’s real names are public information, along with their locations.

But Cryaotic (now on I’ll refer to as Cry) practices amazing information hygene. There are one or two details about him that are known with certainty. He’s male, owns at least one dog and one cat, and lives somewhere in Florida. Besides that, things like his real name, home address or even his town aren’t known. He’s never been SWATTED, yet he’s incredibly famous, and there’s a large contingent of his fans who are using traditional detective methods to ferret out a photo of him, or figure out what high school he went to. Stuff like that.

So it’s possible to be a streamer on Twitch and remain basically anonymous, as long as you practice good information hygiene, but it’s by no means easy, and part of the reason Cry specifically has been successful is due to stubbornness and willing to lose fans, as well as cultivating a mistique about his identity strong enough that the dedicated fans would rather keep his visage as a part of their collective imagination than dox him.

They’ve even created a standard character for him in fan art. The 'Sup Guy:

And in realistic art, he’s always shown with a blank mask:


I just realized a common pitfall of information hygiene that’s really common on Twitch.

Most streamers have a donation button that takes the user to a page served out by their home PC or an alerting system where they specify the amount to donate and a message. Once you click submit it sends you to PayPal, where you login and do the final transaction. During that final transaction, if the streamer isn’t using an anonymizing service or hasn’t incorporated, their real name will be shown during the donation.

That’s how I’ve figured out people’s real names on Twitch before. Just donating $1.00 and you’ve got their real name, then you can go on to look them up on Facebook and such. Though most streamers are on Twitter and other services anyway and don’t care. But getting that real name can be a really bad breach if you haven’t been taking care of fraud management.

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