If nothing else the clear take away is that things may not be so clear cut.
All the sites raising questions are far right, like breitbart and redstate, and moreover quoting one another. Perhaps it all traces back to something written by that Sk-Gorka person who was cleaning up Sebastian Gorkaâs wikipedia page.
Even if a legitimate source raised doubts about these latest accusations, all that means is that instead of being certainly an actual Nazi he is only almost certainly an actual Nazi. He still doesnât belong in the White House, and probably doesnât belong in the country.
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We can easily apply that to all areas of life!
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Which doesnât make them automatically wrong either.
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All the sites raising questions are far right
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No, I wrote:
All the sites raising questions are far right, like breitbart and redstate
That pretty much makes them automatically wrong.
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Probably small potatoes given some of the very real events being posted here, but this one either a methodist or baptist church that I regularly drive past had a sign up this morning saying âSilly Rabbi, Easter is for Jesus.â
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On the one hand, I can see this as a deliberate message sent by a church towards the Jewish community.
On the other hand, if they left the âTâ on there, then that would be a decent message for a church to send out: that Easter isnât about bunnies and chocolate, but the crucifixion and resurrection. And it would preserve the imagery of the reference that theyâre making. So maybe it was just vandalism?
Not that thatâs much better, but at that point, at least itâs a private individual acting out instead of the representative of an entire congregation.
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I think thatâs almost more a headdesk than facepalm, to be honest. Itâs like what I was saying in the headlines thread: the less egregious ones sometimes do more damage because the average person doesnât recoil in horror, or they think itâs funny.
Plus, just the horrible and obvious lack of familiarity with their own stated text elevates to something more. Still, itâs the fact that they are doing it as a joke (and feel comfortable telling that joke) that chills me. I am not Jewish, but I did grow up going to Evangelical type churches, and if thatâs what they advertise out front, I am _terrified_as to what âtruthsâ (hard scare quotes) are being preached inside, and how many people will take them on faith because a preacher âknowsâ.
ETA: having read @nimelennar 's explanation, that works too, but brings this up to the âgraffitiâ level for me. Because someone (or ones) damaged property and went out of their way to send a hate message.
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Iâm not arguing that these stereotypes donât exist (because that would be stupid) but does it not get to the point that any reference to those traits, singly or collectively, is inferred as a reference to stereotyped Jews?
I mean, I just looked for images of the Gringotts goblins and didnât find them to be consistently Jewish-stereotype-looking. There were some hooked noses, sure, but beyond them all being pointed (along with the pointy ears) I donât think they were âJewish lookingâ. Perhaps the books describe them differently, of course. Similarly the Ferengi - they had nose prosthetics but I wouldnât say they were particularly Jew-y, unless you hold that it is impossible to refer to avarice or double-dealing, without it being specifically aimed at Jews.
That sounds like some schoolboy stole the âtâ - but then again, some churches these daysâŚ
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Yeah, Iâm hoping thatâs the case, but as you say⌠some Christians these days.
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Yeah, this is pretty much straight-up; the structure of Khuzdul (the Dwarven language) is closely modeled on Hebrew and other semitic languages (I seem to remember an article that clarified strong Hittite links) including the triconsonantal roots of the vocabularly, common to semitic languages. to be fair to Tolkein, he generally characterises the struggles of the Dwarvish diaspora nobly - and when sent a letter by a German publisher attempting to vet his origins, he is said to have responded âI can only reply that I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted people.â
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To be fair, if the âtâ remained it would be an anti-pagan statement and reinforcement of the appropriation of Easter from the goddess Eostre/Ostara (rabbits and eggs are among her symbols). I donât hear so much about anti-pagan violence these days, though (not that it doesnât happen).
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Yeah, I wouldnât be down with that either, as I know plenty of neo-pagans and respect their faith. If it was meant to be âRabbiâ then given the current political climate, itâs beyond fucked up.
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Iâm pretty casual about that sort of thing myself, but recently there have been a lot of âChristiansâ seeking to protect âtheirâ Easter from the imaginary depredations of Muslims and the âPC Brigadeâ and they can fuck the fuck off.
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If any Christian holiday is any less under attack then Christmas, itâs easter!
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I wouldnât think of it so much as being against paganism as it is against commercialization.
I doubt that âPagans are trying to steal (back) Easterâ is a message that would resonate with the average Christian, who probably doesnât have a clue where the word âEasterâ came from.
ETA: But regardless of whether the message was originally intended to attack Judaism, or was made so through vandalism: yeah, itâs still horrible.
Well, its true at face value. Easter has nothing to do with us at all.
Iâm personally not offended.
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Sure, which is one reason why it confused me⌠I mean, are there really some Christians who think you guys are out to steal their holidays?
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In theory, itâs supposed to be tied to Passover (the French word for âEasterâ is âPâques,â derived from the Hebrew âpĂŠsakhââ). And Christâs death is often referred to as a âPaschal sacrificeâ (with the same etymology).
But yes, in practice, the traditions have drifted so far that any modern celebration of Easter has nothing to do with Judaism.
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