A thread of our own- misogyny (Part 1)

…so as to avoid taking any responsibility, or even just pausing and acknowledging reality for a moment.

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As a pasty-white straight cis Euro guy, I really detest the “white men are blamed for everything” whine. It’s so self-evidently bullshit, and tends to go with a huge dose of persecution envy, which is always ugly.

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I especially hate it when it’s coming from people who claim to know better - guys who don’t think they’re misogynists or male chauvinists, and they’re so offended by the idea that even so they still may not be above criticism that they keep being defensive and deflect pro-feminist arguments every time the topic comes up. (The only thing worse than that is when it comes from women.)

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Yeah, sounds all too familiar.

Who, me?

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OFFS, do women not deal with enough issues without shit like this?

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Nope. Of course, one of the things that makes women vulnerable is the scam artists at least pretend to listen, and many times, doctors… don’t. Not even “don’t appear”, but flat out don’t listen at all. So much medicine is studied around the male body that even now, one of the more misdiagnosed things in women is heart attack, even though we’ve known for years now that they present differently. How many other things go undiagnosed, because women have slightly different symptoms and might even describe them differently than men? When you’ve gone your whole life with no one taking you seriously, or years in pain with the people who are supposed to help you dismissive of anything you say, an offer of help and relief is very seductive.

If the medical establishment wants to counter this shit (and they should), there needs to be a massive accounting of the attitudes and practices that leave people vulnerable.

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That is way too true. Doesn’t make being victimized again ok, but we have historically, and currently, treated women as “defective males” rather than the human default mode.

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After his celebrity increased, his behavior at conventions became more egregious, as the editor Edward L. Ferman reminisced of a fan gathering in the late 1950s: “Asimov … instead of shaking my date’s hand, shook her left breast .” Asimov was open about his practices: “I kiss each young woman who wants an autograph and have found, to my delight, that they tend to cooperate enthusiastically in that particular activity.” He defended himself by saying that he was universally seen as “harmless,” and the implication that it was all just an act culminated in his satirical book The Sensuous Dirty Old Man (1971), in which he wrote, “The question then is not whether or not a girl should be touched. The question is merely where, when, and how she should be touched.”

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Once again, “Don’t get to know your heroes.” Damn it. Is this universal among successful and powerful men? Certainly seems to be extremely widespread at the least.

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Yes. One of the rules of society is that you cannot stand up to or say no to powerful men without stark repercussions. So, when men become powerful, they take advantage of this so far as I can tell… just because they can.

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Tom Hanks seems pretty nice IRL…?

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Dave Grohl gets a lot of All-around Nice Guy props too.

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I expect and hope the court’s going to say “That’s not how it works.”

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Thanks Harv - I needed a good laugh.

I can just see him complaining to the chef in the prison cafeteria and asking the guard what he recommends for a wine pairing.

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I wonder if that was planned from the start: they (Weinstein and legal team) determined that they weren’t going to catch a break with this judge – maybe they tried bribing on the side, and it didn’t work, or whatever – so he did something that wouldn’t seem weird, but be enough to elicit a response from the judge and thus give them the excuse to request a new judge.

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Sometimes the biggest misogynists are women:

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