Sorry.
Is everything that is against your point of view and supports it word salad?
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Humans have become pretty adept at thinning our own herd without natureâs assistance. Why let her add to the carnage?
Nor, I believe, do most of us here. Actions are way more important than what you keep private in your head. But by vaccinating you help us to safeguard ourselves and our childrenâs health. Acting for the good of your community, even at a slight cost to yourself â Thatâs virtue.
But âŚ
⌠arguing against immunisation programs when all the science points to their benefits, efficacy and high levels of safety is not âethicalâ in any way.
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I donât think youâre being unclear.
I think youâre clearly saying that an individualâs right to pointlessly put others in danger is more important than an individualâs right to not be threatened by such endangerment.
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Again guys i really am sorry for my outburst. Here, this guy goes into a far better job of explaining Measles and the whole problem of âoh I can let my kid not be vaccinatedâ mindset.
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Admin,
To protect society,
could you please quarantine the troll?
And his alter ego as well.
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Well, if thatâs so, it should be fair in return to shoot the antivaxxers and quarantine their kids, eh? Maybe even Darwin the whole fan damily. I have a newborn great-niece and another on the way in the summer. If we were to get an outbreak of pertussis here, theyâd be at great risk - too young to be vaccinated. Should qualify as defence of family against deadly harm, dâya think? 
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My whole philosophy is humanist. I wouldnât advocate doing harm.
Theyâd be tranq guns modified to shoot immunizations.
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Just never mention the damage they do. Or the millions in pay outs to families. Donât care about people? - Search for dogs having seizures after their shots. Do some fucking research about what the gov has put it them in the past and then stab your kid 30 times after they are born. For Profit health.
My whole philosophy is Scottish: if what you do isnât harming anyone (or anyone but yourself), go to town - not my business. If you endanger me and mine deliberately or through willful negligence, woe betide you. Antivaxxersâ actions qualify very definitely as the latter.
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One can be both. Humans are great at dealing with cognitive dissonance. At least this human is.
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Nobody wants people hurt from vaccinations, and we as a species are working very hard to minimize any ill effects of vaccination. So please, Iâm trying to say I sympathize. But I can see Iâm already defensive.
What I mean to say is, bad reactions to vaccines do exist. They are dangerous and scary and cause a lot of suffering. Humanity is working to try and fix that, and having some success. A bad reaction to a vaccine isnât reason to hate them, though. Itâs evidence of their importance. Herd immunity is true, just look at the evidence. Everyone who can be vaccinated needs to be vaccinated in order to protect your children, @Jase_Panic
ETA: Did you not see the Pertussis video? Thatâs deadly, highly contagious, and if we use antibiotics alone will become rapidly impossible to fight or prevent.
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To resume this thread:
-I donât vaccinate my children because I believe in Freedom, not science.
-You are stupid.
-No, I just donât believe science because scientist are dirty commies/fascists.
-You are so stupid it hurts. Stop.
-Freeeeeeedooooom!
-SighâŚ
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If I donât label myself an â-istâ of some sort, I can concentrate on the basics without too much in the way of cognitive dissonance, and my basics are pretty simple:
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Everyone should have the opportunity to make of themselves what they can. (Equality of outcomes is impossible, but a lack of equality of opportunity wastes lives and talent in copious amounts.)
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Donât harm, deliberately or negligently, people who arenât doing you harm. In your lifetime, you will harm others through inadvertence or ignorance, and that is forgivable (provided you endeavour to make things right). Harming them through deliberation or willful negligence is to deny them their humanity. Do not be surprised if they return the favour.
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Appropriate.
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We had some deaths here a couple of years ago from a bad batch of flu vaccines. It happens. There are risks with vaccinations.
They are known, quantifiable risks, and for the general population the risks of not vaccinating are objectively greater.
In specific cases where people are known to be allergic to vaccines, they obviously should not be vaccinated. But we need everyone else to be vaccinated to protect these rare exceptions.
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Itâs not really fascist when the state really does not better than the fucking morons what is better for them (and everyone else around them ⌠and to whom the state also has a responsibility.)
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Kind of like the âmy tax money canât go toward abortion - thatâs immoral!â crowd who think that everybody must pay for wars that kill hundreds of thousands of civilians.
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You do NOT want shingles.
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I wonder how much this stems from the privileging of faith even in the face of scientific consensus.
- Is this a superstitious society tolerating science, or a reality-based society tolerating woo?
If the latter, then vaccines need to be mandatory for participation in any government/social activities and programs.
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