I feel differently. I merely stated my opinion and went this far only to disprove that I don’t think it should be a choice from a rejection of the science that it would work. I arrive at my decision from an ethical stand point. I said my piece and done because no one is changing the others mind and it’s pointless to continue.
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Thank you. You saved me having to say it more bluntly.
Why can’t I change your mind though? Why is this not enough to convince you? What would it take? I’m guessing you’re asking the same question about me and my apparent authoritarianism. To me it’s not pointless, it is the most important point in the world right now that we can’t seem to convince each other anymore of moving positions even on such concrete issues as this, no matter how much evidence there is on either side. I just can’t grok this. Maybe I need a break.
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You don’t understand that parents have no rights with respect to raising their children. They have only responsibilities. And those responsibilities certainly extend to ensuring that their children’s health and the health of other children is protected by vaccination.
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“I want to live in a free country! I want to smoke meth, drink moonshine, and drive a car without seatbelts or smog controls at 100 miles an hour through an endangered species wildlife refuge while firing my grenade launcher at water purification and flouridation plants as I write myself and my unvaccinated children prescriptions for every drug the FDA says we can’t take because when the State says it knows what is better for me, that’s fascism! GIVE ME MY FREEDUMB!”
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“I want to live in a free country! I want to smoke meth, drink moonshine, and drive a car without seatbelts…”
Up until here go right ahead. That’s your life. No skin of our back.
The rest is ridiculous hyperbole.
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I arrive at a different conclusion. I don’t think the idea is pointless.
Nothing would change my mind. My values are just different. I respect your position and understand why you arrive at it. Just don’t share it.
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You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. The facts are such that we know to a very high degree of certainty that decisions to not vaccinate children are harmful. Of course, not to the parents, but to the children whose rights are best supported by fact-based decision making - see how responsibility works? Parents have an absolute responsibility to ensure the well-being of their children. Their opinions, values, irrational beliefs, ethics and morals are completely irrelevant for issues such as this.
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He values the ability to pointlessly gamble with other people’s lives more than other people’s right to be safe from his gambling.
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I think there was a miscommunication, I was responding to this line, not insinuating you think the idea is pointless:
I am troubled by the fact that a difference in values can translate into completely intractable positions on an important issue that really cannot be made clearer. I don’t have the energy to continue this though, so, I guess in that respect you’re right.
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I’m not making any of my facts. It’s an opinion on what to do with the facts.
Rights are not factual things. They are concepts and open to opinion.
Morals are important to all issues. Otherwise their is no morality.
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I find a morality that willfully exposes others to harm to be repugnant.
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I’d say there’s edge cases where it might be justifiable, in my own philosophy.
But willfully and pointlessly exposing others to harm? Yeah, I can’t think of a single justification for that.
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Ahhh… I got ya’.
People place importance on different things. It’s what makes humans. We are all different with different experiences that shape our outlooks.
Believe me part of me wants to shake the shit out of them as well, inside I feel it would be wrong of me to do so.
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In this case incorrect. You decide little timmy doens’t need this autism in a syringe so you’re gonna go herbal. Little timmy gets sick with shit we haven’t seen since the forties so little timmy has to go to the hospital and since little timmy’s dumbass parent is in a whole herd of other dumbass parents that act as echo chamber to reinforce eachother’s stupid decision and as shield against everyone else the whole fucking herd of snotmonsters is now sick and oh noes the terrible things we said about modern medicine we didn’t really MEAN any of it here fix our kids we thought we understood how to medically care for better than the trained bloody professionals that each spent a small fortune and almost a decade minimum of their lives simply learning proper care and diagnosis of sick people.
That sudden drain on healthcare that spikes my insurance, and diverts doctors time and energy so by the time I end up needing to go because i fell and ended up banging my shoulder on something hard enough my arm goes numb and i have to sit there waiting six hours because of the gaggle of snotmonsters and parents who are mix of worry, holier than thou bleating at the evils of autism shots, and acting like Im the reason their little ill behaved shithead is sick instead of the person that birthed and raised them?
You bet your gods damned ass it is my problem at that point.
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Be glad I vaccinate for serious diseases then. One less immoral person you have to worry about.
Ad hominems galore.
I’m an atheist and not personally opposed vaccines or reject the science behind them as easily deduced if you read my comments.
How is that an ad hominem?
I gave you case scenario derived from an event in my life. The doctors weren’t there to help emergency situation because they were already overworked so instead of immediate care for what turned out to be swelling that punched a nerve I got made to wait in the lobby full of other people.
You go after the cause of the problem before it becomes a problem and you don’t end up with overworked people that have to deal with emergencies.
I apologize for my outburst but the ‘It is only between the parent and child’ argument seriously is not one I want to hear. I will admit that these people do not set out to do wrong, but put blunt. Science has proven that while there are risks, those risks are astonishingly small compared to what these vaccinations prevent, and this anti vaxx shit started by a now widely discredited medical journal paper that was designed as a step one so a guy could market his own vaccinations and sell at home autism test kits.
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Because you seem to be assume I accept or buy into the junk science and have some religious basis.
Some people have a philosophical aversion the them though. Some refuse them do to the belief it is wrong to have our species not to have the only thing that nature has to thin our herd.
Bottom line. I don’t believe in the virtue of thought policing.
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Yea look. I have given you personal account of why I personally find your thought process to be bunk and you’re spouting word salad at me.
Do as you will as i cannot stop you, but nice is not something I will be on the matter. Nice left at about hour two of my arm being nothing but pins and needles.
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