Ariana Grande concert explosions leave scores dead and injured. Manchester police: 'terrorist incident'

Former Tory MP Zac Goldsmith did, when he was standing against a Muslim, Labour party candidate for London Mayor.

A simple “Get the hell out of here, this is neither a photo opportunity nor a campaign venue, and if you want to help create well-paid jobs for health workers, including but not limited to doctor positions!” might be tempting.

But all in all, no-one should do this. Neither your version nor mine. As fucking wrong as coming to a hospital as a politician in the first place.

Yes, but not in the case.

Good point, but google doesn’t show anything happening on Feb 25, 2016. But really, it’s just flyover country, why bother? :wink:

I don’t really “tune” into anything, per se. When something big like this happens I hit various websites, even major news org I am not super keen on, just to try to get an amalgamate of what happened. It’s sad and ironic that some of the infotainment shows are actually better at presenting honest and relatable information than the news shows. I imagine many in the media are getting tired of it too.

I thought the U.K had the NHK for that ? I guess they don’t provide psy help ¿

IIRC she was referring to the Time Square event in the US.


What @Mister44 said…

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& @Mister44

I see, i know what happened, i skipped over those comments (i was broswing on other tabs too)


Today, in a show on French national radio, there’s been a nice hommage to the Manchester victims. It’s a comedy show about news, and they didn’t want to go the usual one minute of silence, replacing it with one minute of music, an excerpt from Whatever by Oasis. I found it unexpectedly effective.

You’ve got that backwards, the Falklands war was setup by the military dictatorship that was in charge of Argentina at the time as a distraction from the civil unrest caused by the awful economic situation the country was in. The Falklands War was entirely justified from the British point-of-view in terms of international law, and the right of self determination, for a territory that Argentina had no legal, historical or natural right to, it just happened to be close by.

Carrington resigned because he realised he was at fault (along with the Defence Secretary), ignoring the warnings from the Navy and the Governor about Argentina’s intentions. Remember, never attribute to malice what can be easily explained by incompetence.


What could be more important than killing people to control a rock on the other side of the world.

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So the only response to violence is indifference? Presumably you believe ISIS should be just allowed to have their caliphate as well? It’s only a desert in the middle east, who cares about the people who live there?

The IRA did not regularly target schools, they once bombed an elite boarding school (Harrow), but didn’t place the bomb in a position to cause fatalities and gave a warning, no-one was injured. I’m not aware of any other attacks (and certainly not one where there were any fatalities). I’m not sure about the PLO, though I wouldn’t have thought that was true of them either.

Not denying the IRA were scum, but the current crop of Islamist extremists are on a whole other level to them.

One of the neat things about the UK is a rather phlegmatic response to things going badly wrong. After the initial running around and screaming they just knuckle down to organising things and helping. When overseas observers looked at the bystander response to the Kegworth Air Disaster, they asked whether UK residents are trained to respond to disasters as a public health measure. :slight_smile: (They aren’t.)

When I was a kid PLO attacks on children were in the news all the time. From memory, some of the worst were Scorpion Pass, Avivim School Bus, Kiryat Shmona, and the Netiv Meir Elementary School.

As the IRA considered themselves soldiers, not terrorists, they favored targeted attacks instead of blowing up schoolbuses and malls, but over 600 civilians - many children - got caught in the crossfire. It’s hard to give them a pass here.


The NHS has been underfunded for decades now, and psychiatric care funds tends to get get diverted to treat more media friendly conditions.

I know one of the psychiatrists who came up with Care in the Community, as a way to treat milder mental illnesses in outpatient clinics. Then Maggie got her hands on it and cut the outpatient funding which resulted in people not getting treatment. It should go without saying that he is not a fan of the Conservatives.

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Not a pass, but perhaps a mitigation.

“Slaughtering civilians carelessly is better than doing it deliberately” is a large part of the West’s claim of moral superiority over non-state users of violence.


Yeah, that’s probably right, especially w/r to children. Even when they shot school bus drivers, they weren’t out to get the kids on the bus. However, their definition of “enemy combatant” (as opposed to “civilian”) was maybe a little more inclusive than yours or mine might be.

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You probably know a psychiatrist who is very, very sad. :frowning:

I lived a block away from a psychiatric hospital when ‘disgorge into the community’ came in. We suddenly had burnt out institutionalised schizophrenics entirely unsuited for community care shuffling around the suburb because they knew of nowhere else to go.

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Also spare a thought for Ariana Grande. It must be a horrific burden to know that you were the reason those kids were all there.


I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that I was attempting to give anyone a pass, but clearly the two organisations are not morally equivalent. Being less terrible than one of the most terrible things ever isn’t much of an accomplishment. This is the first time they’ve deliberately targeted children in the west, but just to take a single example from Pakistan, the Peshawar school attack of 2014 (which was the Taliban, but pretty similar ideology) - where around 130 children were killed, it’s clear we’re not comparing like with like. For these people the intentional killing of children is justifiable, and they can point to scripture to back that up, this is a totally different class of crazy.