Attempted Coup in the United States: Tracking Investigations and Fallout

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FBI arrests three January 6 defendants in Florida after prolonged search

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/06/politics/three-floridians-arrested-january-6/index.html

“ Prosecutors have accused Jonathan Pollock of punching two officers in the face, kneeing a police officer, dragging an officer down stairs, charging at law enforcement with a flag pole, grabbing an officer’s neck and pinning them to the ground and ramming a police shield into an officer’s neck.”

The party of law and order.

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Free links:

Here are the poll results and methods. As with the Election 2024 polls, I wonder who sitll answers an unknown caller on a landline (I finally disconnected mu own this week). They say:

Respondents were drawn from a stratified random sample of the AmeriSpeak Panel, the
probability-based panel of NORC at the University of Chicago… The AmeriSpeak panel was built through a nationally representative probability sample of U.S. households using mail, telephone and face-to-face recruitment methods. Panel members are permitted to complete surveys using an internet device or by phone. Additional technical details about AmeriSpeak survey methodology is available at www.norc.org.

ETA: Digging down, I found this:

NORC does not use telemarketing lists or phone books in selecting survey samples. For most studies, we create phone numbers by using area codes and prefixes of known geographic areas and randomly generating the last four digits. We typically don’t know who we are dialing, and some of the numbers we call end up being non-household or non-working numbers. Your number will never be sold, shared, or disclosed.

Again, who answers these calls?

The defendant, Christopher Worrell, missed his first scheduled sentencing hearing, in August, after he fled home detention and vanished for weeks, according to authorities, who said he later purposely took a drug overdose to further delay the proceedings.

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Related:

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borrowed from Charlie Stross on Mastodon:

yep

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Yeah but that’s just part of it see because they pretended to be MAGAs so that MAGAs would look bad see??

< conspiracy guy in front of massive bulletin board gif >

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–wait what the what–

CW: there is quite a story at the link, involving death and testicles

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I saw them open for Love + Rockets in Tacoma in ‘04. Great show.

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Love and death, testicles and rockets…

Sam Claflin GIF by BuzzFeed

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Democrat seeks to censure Elise Stefanik over Jan. 6 comments

Goldman alleges in the four-page resolution that Stefanik “has supported the duly charged and convicted January 6 insurrectionists.”

https://www.axios.com/2024/01/17/elise-stefanik-dan-goldman-jan-6-hostages

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tl;dr [at the time the first video was made 2 years ago]=

  • only 7% (also the national average at the time) of Jan6 rioters and insurrectionists studied by Pape (420+ people at the time of this vid two years ago) were unemployed at the time of their failed coup attempt
  • predominant motivation: fear of “The Great Replacement” “Theory”
  • most not “lone wolf” actors; most married and/or have families
  • 45% have professional jobs
  • two-thirds of the aforementioned 420+ insurrectionists who have been arrested are over age 34
  • ~90% of the 420+ people arrested for breaking into the Capitol building were not affiliated with "militia* groups (Proud Boys, Oathkeepers, etc.)

Two years ago:

tl;dr =

  • violence is going mainstream
  • Trump has unique capacity and willingness to stimulate violence, inflame his followers for his own purposes, leveraging arguments that system is rigged and “problems can’t be solved” by normal means or constitutionally
  • leaders more willing to stimulate and trigger violence incl against members of Congress if those members oppose Trump

Two weeks ago:

I learned things.

ETA: clarifiers

ETA2: a second listen-through allows me to add to more tl;dr bullet points for the second video now

ETA3: grammar

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Mad Tommy Wiseau GIF by The Room

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I know, I know.
I hear you.

It’s not like I love spending cold wet Sundays with this kind of content.
But.
I seek to understand.
Perhaps some insight and wisdom may follow.

Maybe it’s like this a lot more, for you, given your vocation.
It takes a special kind of human, and mind, to be willing to study and teach history.
Lessons from stories written in blood. Among other things.
History has so many bitter truths mixed in with miracles and happenstance and bright spots.

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Oh, I’m glad you posted it, and I’m gonna give it a read (and watch the second Pape interview in a bit)… I’m just really annoyed about all this shit…

Maybe… there are lots of profs and history teachers who half-ass it, of course…

high quality remake GIF

I like to focus on the positives to some degree, and to show how people made that happen, because otherwise, it’s just bleak shit that seems inevitable…

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Thank you for posting those. I appreciate having the receipts for the things we’ve been saying about the insurrection for years now.

What I learned:

  • I thought a lot of the insurrectionists were trades-related professionals, like developers, contractors, etc. Often wealthy or at least with both resources and a flexible schedule. What I didn’t know were the number of graduate-degree-type professionals who were in the mix - MBAs (OK, not that surprising), doctors, lawyers, etc.
  • I was mildly surprised at the lack of attachment to RW militia
  • The assessment about motivation around replacement “theory” both simplifies the picture and is chilling, as it means these folks are truly neo-nazis.
  • Interesting notes about violent sentiment on the left, as well. I wonder how much of that manifests as essentially the opposite of what the insurrectionists stand for, i.e. defending the Constitutional order and rule of law vs. how much of it is strictly partisan. Also, how much of the violent sentiment is directed at the insurrectionists in response to Jan6 (such as what I have expressed, that I wish there had been a stronger, more violent military response) vs. similar violent expressions like storming the Capitol if T**** had successfully stolen the 2020 election?
  • I take Pape’s warning about the movement outlasting T**** very seriously. It won’t just go away. We saw hints of it when T**** himself was booed by the crowd at one of his rallies when he made pro-vaccine statements. This djinni isn’t going back in the bottle. That’s part of why I’m upset that more members of Congress aren’t being held accountable to 14Asec3 actions to remove them from office and block them from holding office in the future.
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I used to tell people talking up civil war in the US to take a good look at photos of Syria before their war and now. Now I’m thinking more along the lines of Pol Pot-the genocidal dictator who killed millions for being educated. I wonder how the MAGAts would take being compared to a communist overlord.

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Excellent proof of their planning of the insurrection.

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