Bernie Sanders is more popular than Trump, but the press ignores him

Ha, thanks!

I was hoping someone would do that (so I wouldn’t have to try, and end up doing a job half as good as you did of inserting what was missing from that picture).

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No more childlike than the meme I was responding to. (I notice you’re fine with that kind of “obtuse straw man” :wink: )

I don’t find this convincing at all. It’s sheer assertion. And as I mentioned before, it doesn’t deal with the fact that the existing distribution of wealth actually prevents the sort of unforced meritocratic competition that libertarians hold as the only moral form of public interaction. And there are many other reasons I disagree with libertarian philosophy writ large, although I do agree with parts and respect and sometimes even admire the overall moral outlook of libertarians (at least when they’re not gratuitously driving trollies liberals to no obvious good end).

What else could you call it when two atomic rational individuals interact? :wink:

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(Source Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Department of Labor)

Eyeballing it…looks like a whopping 5-something percent.

From the CS Monitor, "US crime rate at lowest point in decades. Why America is safer now.

The data point to a persistent perception gap among Americans. Despite strong evidence of crime dropping over recent decades, the public sees the reverse. "Recent Gallup polls have found that citizens overwhelmingly feel crime is going up even though it is not," says Professor Fox. "This is because of the growth of crime shows and the way that TV spotlights the emotional. One case of a random, horrific shooting shown repeatedly on TV has more visceral effect than all the statistics printed in a newspaper."

That’s a CSM article from 2012, so between San Bernardino and NCIS reruns, I’m sure crime rates are way way way up again. Or…what’s that word? Not.

I believe you’re looking for Breitbart, FOX, or your own interior monologue.

Says the newb dropping a factless paragraph turd.

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I can’t make that promise myself. If Bernie loses I’m going to see what the Socialist and Green parties have cooking. I voted for Jill Stein in 2012, and if Bernie hadn’t entered the primary race, she’s probably who I’d be supporting today.

I believe that – given how my district is basically permanently Democrat anyway – my vote for a third party candidate is a better expression of what I want from government than a vote for a centrist/conservative regardless of party.

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I believe that – given how my district is basically permanently Democrat anyway – my vote for a third party candidate is a better expression of what I want from government than a vote for a centrist/conservative regardless of party.
[/quote]As long as your vote doesn’t help to usher in Republicans, I don’t see a problem with that.

Unfortunately, what they currently have cooking will usher in yet another Republican administration that will set back progressive third parties by decades (yet again).

At least under Hillary, there can be small openings and steps made to ensure the next presidential election can involve a strong, progressive third party that might actually win (as apposed to be nothing more than a spoiler in favor of Republicans). With yet another Republican administration, those doors will be nailed shut.

It would feel great emotionally for me in some ways to protest vote against Hillary Clinton.

However, I just can’t sell out humanity like that for my own selfish reasons. If Sanders doesn’t win, it will be a devastating blow for our republic. However, if a Republican gets into office we will enter World War III.

Don’t believe? Just listen to any of those nuts during their debates! They will bring us to utter war and destruction. It’s their campaign promises and I have no reason to think they won’t follow through.

NO.

Meanwhile – global, catastrophic climate change isn’t waiting for humanity to get its shit together either…

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Okay, but to be fair:

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I ninja-edited my post to reflect that, but then saw you brought it up. Dammit. :blush:

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Let me see, what else is it that you clearly don’t understand? Ah yes: the difference between “You clearly don’t understand this” and “You’re clearly an idiot.”

Hint: Dismissing arguments as ad hominem when they’re not, instead of addressing said arguments, is an ironically ineffective technique – it makes you look like an idiot.

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Well great timing. Rick Perry just walked into the restaurant I’m in.

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Say ‘hi’ for us!

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And, of course, the third option is impossible to consider – that I
understood perfectly, but simply disagree.

It’s giving public money to a candidate who you don’t support, just like public money spent on roads you will never drive on and schools your children won’t attend. You consent to it by living in a democracy. The world still has ungoverned frontiers you could run off to, though I will admit they are quite small, and would happily vote in favour of portioning some undeveloped land for those who think that they ought to have a personal veto against the entirety of the rest of society because it’s their money.

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There’s a difference between a candidate and a government agent.

The latter is acting on behalf of the entire country, based on an election that gives his actions legitimacy.

The former is seeking political power, by convincing his fellow citizens of his ability and worth.

Don’t you see the difference?

Not at all impossible. It’s just that your response shoved it right off the table. Since you’re bringing it back to the table, please do explain what you think is the intended message of that combination of image and words…

Is he wearing those glasses that make him look smart or does he just say “screw it” at this point?

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You’re really splitting ideological hairs here, aren’t you?

Technically, both are candidates for the position the election is for. One also happens to be the current representative of that role in many cases, but that’s a practical concern, not an ideological one.

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I don’t want to discuss whether libertarians have identified the right centers of oppressive force with you, because you have demonstrated that you’re more interested in insults than discussions.

So, no, thank you. But, please, feel free to start a new thread about how dumb I am!