I was always collecting agates up there as a kid.
Lot’s of nice waterfalls on the north shore as well…
If you’re lucky you might find some neat Thomsonite on the shoreline.
2 Likes
F*cking Assholes! ( I see a joke )
Because it is politically convenient for him to do so and placates the anti-gay crowd with a token by doing so. It allows attacks on critics of the language by “putting a gun” to an animal cruelty bill. Frankly even the anti-animal abuse bill is more or less a publicity stunt for the legislature to show they are doing something other than let the state slide into something out of a Mad Max film.
1 Like
Who was “railing”? I was just making a joke (which, no, it doesn’t oblige me to read the “FUCKING ARTICLE”* to do so) about Michigan’s clearly out-of-control dog-fucker problem.
*Caps yelling: never not mockable.
4 Likes
And they’re standing around in your bedroom watching you do it! What the fuck is this obsession with invading our bedrooms???
[quote=“Mangochin, post:122, topic:73423, full:true”]
Way to weaselword here.
Michigan has passed a new law banning oral and anal sex. Emphasis on “new” law. Yes they had old laws on the books. But considering old laws on the books are deemed unconstitutional, they have no business putting new ones forward which do so.
If the intention of various state senate was to further penalize animal cruelty, then they had no business putting in the 4 words which criminalize sodomy among humans.[/quote]Way to be a reactionary idiot and not read a damn thing from the article or post you’re responding to.
Your “emphasis on ‘new’ law” just shows you have no idea how bills and laws in this country actually work. This is a new bill that modifies an old law. There is no “new” law being passed at all. If you actually were to RTFA it even has a link to the full text of the bill in question, with changes, removals, and addendum to the law it’s modifying. This bill is in no way “putting in the 4 words which criminalize sodomy among humans” in there - that clause is already in place. All this bill does is adds extra penalties in the existing law to the animal abuse aspects of it while ignoring the anti-sodomy portions.
Simply put, there is absolutely no way to claim that a new anti-sodomy law is being put forward without proving that you’re either completely uninformed about what is actually going on, or you’re intentionally creating nonexistent strawmen by being a Fox News-style bald-faced liar.
I hope you earned ‘gneiss post’ for this.
4 Likes
1 Like
##I like to watch.
1 Like
To clarify, I believe that this lawmaker is a coward because he chose a bigoted and expedient route.
He might have chosen to strike an archaic law from the record and go on to pass Logan’s law. But instead chose to back a package that is absurd and has a major component that was originally written to discriminate against gay people.
His ENTIRE job is lawmaking, and he decided to take a broken shortcut. It’s bad enough when I see it in IT. It’s worse as the law of the land.
3 Likes
Thanks for the explanation of your reasoning. I will say that while he certainly isn’t creating a new anti-human sodomy law, and while nothing in the bill will change anything regarding such laws (both points which seemed to be ignored by the headline and half this thread)… I’m having to wonder why: if he wanted to include anti-(animal) sodomy as part of the bill, why didn’t he simply write a sentence into the bill that said as much, rather than dragging in the old wording and modifying it. This morning, with a clearer mind (animal abuse issues tend to set me off) I do have to say that does smell a little suspicious–especially coming from a GOP wingnut.
I’ve never seen the reasoning for doing it that way addressed in anything I’ve read. Is there some weird legislative rationale for modifying similar wording in previous law, rather than simply putting an extra sentence (“No dog fucking”) in the actual wording of the new bill?
1 Like
Reading articles is for squids.
I got the reference, but no likes to give!
The idiocy was using an animal cruelty bill to throw in a bit of unenforceable unconstitutional wording which amounts to a sodomy ban. Claiming this was some kind of oversight on the part of the drafters is disingenuine. It does not matter that a law is not actually enforceable.
There are far better and saner ways additional penalties to an animal cruelty bill could be drafted. It could easily have said, “the penalty for violation of criminal code ---- (whatever the statute designation concerning animal cruelty law) shall be changed to …”
Instead we have this grandstanding, publicity stunt of a bill. The MI state legislature has better things to be spending its time dealing with besides this.
1 Like
Yes. Yes they do. With they do anything about the real issues facing the voters of Michigan? No. No they won’t. In the meantime, my 6 year old car is on the verge of needing new ball joints because these do-nothing tax-dollar hoovers can’t be arsed to do their jobs. I don’t even want to get into Flint or Detroit right now, those failures are now obvious to the world. There are simple things other states seem quite capable of managing that the term-limited shitheads who get sent to Lansing probably couldn’t do under threat of violence. Ferealz, if a terrorist group entered the state house while in session and threatened to blow the entire occupied building up if the the legislators failed to draft and pass meaningful legislation to address even, say, 10 of Michigan’s most pressing problems, we’d just end up with a special election and stuck building a new state house.
There. I feel a little bit better. /Rant
6 Likes
Agreed, so very much agreed. Yet another reason I’m almost ashamed to admit I’m a Michiganian.
1 Like
The state is painfully gerrymandered. I was just pondering again last night that it’s ludicrous for 3 million people to have all the political power over the remaining 6 million. In an open, popular vote, republicans lose in this state. With district voting, they’ve rigged the game so they always win.
I’m not ashamed to admit that I live here. The state needs more sunlight to illuminate the dirty truths for the rest of the country to see. It’d be a great state to live in if it weren’t for all the vindictive “conservatives” hell-bent on turning Michigan into a third-world country.
2 Likes
