Sure. The planet’s population is what-- seven, eight billion?
The hope is that we won’t need those vaccines, because there won’t be billions of susceptible hosts. That pretty much means that everybody gets a dose, and some people will make a modest profit from manufacturing the doses.
Right now the untapped vaccine market is only 20% of children. - most people need soap. And you only need a handful of vaccines once in your life (or maybe twice for a few), whereas you buy soap every single year. Plus successful vaccine sales ultimately eliminate the need for that vaccine… you never eliminate the need for soap.
Fair enough.
Yep, you have. I didn’t say all those things, you did. I said they weren’t going to be convinced any more than other conspiracy theorists.
Couple weeks ago I sliced my arm open on a rusty, dirty piece of iron. It didn’t really hurt bad, but I mutteredmuttered, “crap”.
I went to the local clinic, told them what happened, and they asked what vaccines I wanted. My answer?
" I haven’t been vaccinated in 15 years. Give me everything."
I am now immune to death.
Wait, what? Really? Sweet baby jebus. The stupid. It burrrrns!
@raw: you fuckers are responsible for this. Hang your head in guilt and shame, you fucking clown.
Are you serious? The number of doses and the number of antigens children are exposed to during the regular CDC vaccine schedule at most there’s 46 doses administered for 0-18 years (including annual influenza). I came to that by picking the versions of vaccines with the higher number of doses in the footnotes when there was a specified alternative, and also included the additional doses for cases where the vaccine history isn’t known by the doctor.
Where are you getting this 69 dose figure? Most children don’t even get 46 doses anyway because they’re not in the high-risk groups, and their status and records are known.
Holy hell… I’ve had conversations with these sorts of people, but that’s still a maddening, depressing read.
Next thing you know, there will be a widespread movement claiming that physics is all wrong, the Michelson-Morley experiment only failed because of a grand conspiracy, and the luminiferous aether (the original one) is how the universe really works. (pleasedon’ttellmethishashappened)
Wait what… no no just I can’t even… how? What alternate reality do these people live in?
Electric Universe “Theory”. They make some good points in that we still have a lot to learn about the large-scale dynamics of diffuse plasma in space. But they often go off the rails when it comes to gravity, the big bang, the metric expansion of spacetime and so on. Basically a lot of the EU people don’t understand GR and SR, but do understand Maxwell’s equations, soooo… What mainstream physics can explain pretty flawlessly with GR and SR end up being explained in EU with electromagnetic effects instead.
Widespread being the operative word (beyond the other bits). Trying to completely shatter my faith in humanity in one go, are we? 
I’d have said something about “flat earth” but somehow that’s never managed to completely die off.
Here’s the publicly-funded vaccine sched for NZ:
The National Immunisation Schedule
6 weeks (1 oral, 2 injection)
Rotavirus (start first dose before 15 weeks) 1 oral vaccine (RotaTeq®)
Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio/Hepatitis B/Haemophilus influenzae type b - 1 injection (INFANRIX® -hexa)
Pneumococcal - 1 injection (SYNFLORIX®)
3 months (1 oral, 2 injection)
Rotavirus - 1 oral vaccine (RotaTeq®)
Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio/Hepatitis B/Haemophilus influenzae type b - 1 injection (INFANRIX® -hexa)
Pneumococcal - 1 injection (SYNFLORIX®)
5 months (1 oral, 2 injection)
Rotavirus - 1 oral vaccine (RotaTeq®)
Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio/Hepatitis B/Haemophilus influenzae type b - 1 injection (INFANRIX® -hexa)
Pneumococcal - 1 injection (SYNFLORIX®)
15 months (3 injection)
Haemophilus influenzae type b - 1 injection (Act-HIB)
Measles/Mumps/Rubella - 1 injection (M-M-R® ll)
Pneumococcal - 1 injection (SYNFLORIX®)
4 years (2 injection)
Diphtheria/Tetanus/Pertussis/Polio - 1 injection (INFANRIX™-IPV)
Measles/Mumps/Rubella - 1 injection (M-M-R® ll)
11 years (1 injection)
Tetanus/Diphtheria/Pertussis - 1 injection (BOOSTRIX™)
12 years (3 injection) girls only
Human papillomavirus - 3 doses given over 6 months (GARDASIL®)
45 years (1 injection)
Diphtheria/Tetanus - 1 injection (ADT™ Booster)
65 years (i injection 1/yr)
Diphtheria/Tetanus - 1 injection (ADT™ Booster)
Influenza - 1 Injection (annually)
For most kids, that’s a grand total of either 15 or 18 vaccines, either orally or injected.
There’s also publicly funded hepatitis A, hepatitis B, hib, human papillomavirus, influenza, meningococcal, pertussis (Tdap), pneumococcal, tuberculosis and varicella vaccines available for children and adults at high risk of some diseases due to other medical conditions.
Alright, so we can conclude that @raw is either wildly misinformed and completely uncritical of their sources, or listing the schedule for some place that we don’t know about but definitely isn’t NZ or the US, or is just lying.
Whereas infectious diseases are 100% safe?
What would you say the relative safety is, of vaccines against getting sick vs. getting sick?
Why do you assume I cant make those connections? Let me ask you another question: have you already assumedIi am an anti vaccer?
The eagerness to belittle and wish harm upon anyone outside of the majority opinion is a real turn off. The anti-antivaccer crowd could very well end up doing harm themselves while they are busy patting thrmselves on the back.
So does that water only become homeopathic car braking after it has been impacted and the impact diluted?
I’m not assuming you make those connections. I’m making them, to show the relative safety of vaccinations vs. no vaccinations.
I have no idea what your beliefs are. I can only go by what you say here, and I’m showing how I disagree with that.
Life is balancing between different options. Yes, there is not 100% safety in anything, which includes vaccines. So we have to balance that against the higher risk of illness and death that comes with not having widespread vaccines.
Finally! My time has come!
Would please describe your scientific background?
