I’m appalled at the pass we’ve come to, too, but I see the necessity of statements like this as well as proactive state-level legislation in places like CA and NY. It’s not like the GOP has been shy about pushing their retrograde agendas in backwards states like Mississippi in the past, and now it’s time for liberals and progressives to defend our values. That holds true for politicians, for business executives, for celebrities and artists, for all of us.
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Which do you think is more analogous to a country with the technological and resource advantage in this case?
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Not to mention the influence CA has on the culture and trends via the media. California (and, to a lesser extent, New York) is in a position to set the tone and example in a way that southern states, past and present, just can’t. And not a shot needs to be fired.
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Well, in spite of the brainwashing, or perhaps because of it, US soldiers are generally reluctant to open fire on citizens.
And why not just become Californian soldiers? It represents more or less what a lot of them believe their country is; and their nationalistic psychopathy, ingrained from their first day in training, supports that quite a bit, I think.
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Social Security is Federal. Medicare is Federalish. Obamacare is mixed. Food Stamps are Federal.
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So once Trump is done getting rid of those, what has Cali left to lose?
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We’re still the state that keeps electing Dianne Feinstein, because some even worse lizard might get elected if we don’t renominate her.
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How do you beat the senator for Hollywood in a primary?
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Highways of course.
We do get about $50 billion in military contracts every year, though it would be ridiculously hard for them to cancel them unless they want to do without things like new fighter jets.
Plus they spend money on several military bases, but again, that’s hardly something California would pay for if the money stopped flowing to them.
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If California wants to play city-upon-a-hill; maybe they could have stopped reelecting Feinstein about a decade ago? That would be a cool start.
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Now that we have nonpartisan blanket primaries, it is actually possible that we will.
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It’s impeachments all the way down.
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I think some readers inferred You should be terrified, because a Second Civil War will be horrible and terrifying.
And on the one hand, they wondered if you meant people should just roll over and accept fascism.
And on the other hand, of course, a Second Civil War would indeed be horrible and terrifying.
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There is no reason to believe California exiting would result in a civil war. It isn’t the 19th century and much of the US doesn’t like California anyway.
Plus it isn’t like Trump is the type of person who would fight over a group who rejected him.
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This is about as cogent an analysis as I see people give when Texas talks about seceding. Both states are large parts of the US economy. I really doubt either could successfully withdraw at this point, though I appreciate the stand California is making in this case.
Listen, bud, if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another
bit of the Universe and say “That’s terrible” I wouldn’t be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin.
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I for one welcome the next two/four years of dumpster fire.
When these separation discussions get serious the issue of how much of the national debt and deficit will go with the separating entity comes up. It can be a thorny issue, because it’s not discussed in terms of a per-capita division but also the entity’s productivity and resource base vs the rest of the nation-state, the “repatriation” of assets, and a new currency (although an independent CA might continue to use the USD for a bit). We’ll see how it goes for Scotland if they try again post-Brexit, but that’s a different economic situation with different leadership.
More to the point, his Putin-friendly advisors would urge him to let California separate because it’s in the interest of their master to have the West as disunited as possible (and because he’s truly the best and classiest leader in American history).
So yes, the statements of principle and revulsion at this result are appreciated, but as this thread indicates there’s a lot that can be done by Californians to push back against the inevitable depredations before they have to consider seceding. California has a lot of clout and we’ll likely see them using it in the next 4 years.
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Well then, I’ll just have to devolve into a left-wing thug. That’ll teach em.
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This is our biggest danger, have you seen his proposed cabinet?!?!?!?!?
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