So a new African immigrant isn’t Black, people of African decent in other countries aren’t Black and light skinned people (like, lighter than South Indians) of African descent aren’t Black.
Got it. You just excluded the majority of black people in the world.
which fact of mine are younhaving a hard time with?
she claimed her father was a black man.
her father has indicated he is not a black men.
are there other relatives? your plural does appear unneeded, but to take it back youd have to… agree with me, and that seems unlikely.
i see what youre saying. you have a fact wrong is all. is that, like, hard to admit?
i’ve always found admitting when ive been incorrect in my assertions as the best opportunity to not compund the error by being wrong on top of it. incorrect happens. wrong is a choice, in my opinion.
Yay? 
If we know there’s not such thing as race, and we’re still offended that someone tries to pass as from a different race, then what are we really saying?
And if its white people who are the arbiters of who is black and who is white, then what are we really accomplishing?
There was a time when white people decided that one drop of blood was enough to exclude somebody from being white, they were the majority then, Now white people are trying to keep white people from defecting from the race, the perception that white people are losing ground is a fear many people share.
I think her motives for identifying as culturally black are less important than the fact that some people find it inconceivable that she would dare to cross cultural lines. That’s why I’m not defending her actions or defending her qualifications for being black, because then it is all about her. The media will make it all about her, why? Because its easier to reinforce the stereotype of the crazy white girl than it is to break the fiction of race in America.
Now if we stop making it about her, is there something worth discussing there?
No: which is why we got THIS instead.
It still have ramifications, despite being a construct.
It’s an irrational fear, that the right wing media is constantly whipping up. And it’s having violent consequences for the black community.
Absolutely. But if we can’t get the majority of white America to accept not just that race is a construct, but that it still did real damage historically, and today, we’re lost. White America needs to accept the fact that white supremacy existed, it happened, and that it continues to negatively impact their black friends and neighbors. There are people who seriously still believe that the civil war WAS NOT about slavery. There are people who think that Jim Crow was not so bad. There are people who still believe that blacks are criminals and thugs, “except for the good ones they know.” There are people who believe it so strongly in these things that they will walk into a church, sit for an hour of bible study and SHOOT 9 PEOPLE. Black Americans don’t need to be convinced of this, because they see it. Many, many white Americans need to be convinced of it.
Let me rephrase.
Removing the individual responsible for this shiat storm and solely looking at your definition, do you think there are millions of people that embody an edge case to the criteria you set out?
(Nice gif BTW :D)
It was only 3/5’s about slavery.
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I am going to a special hell.
I can never be mad at you… bad jokes or no.
And so far the only way to do that is to SHAME THEM into realized that they’re the ones who are savages and raiders and everyone else are victims of their oppressive rule and conquest on those whose ill equipped to defend themselves. Or at the very least, shame them to the point that they take their anger on the most privileged and powerful men in the belief that they make their race look like a bunch of selfish pricks.
I’m not even sure shaming works for some. They just double down…
Philosophy trump card: Mathematics is applied Formal Logic. Formal Logic is Applied Rhetoric, Rhetoric is Applied Drinking.
Thus answering the great question ‘Why?’ Why is there so much alcohol in the universe?
It’s the other way around mate… Why is there no alcohol to be found exactly when I need a stiff drink?
“We’ve spoken about this enough, let’s have a cup of tea.” 
I was waiting for MTV to tell me whats what.
I’ll read the think pieces but Id rather discuss this here with you guys on terms not defined by the media.
Edit:
Yes, I see your point, I may not have made that clear in my rush to be dismissive of MTV
CSB
This one time I was in a pub in Goring England. The John Barleycorn. I met an 80+ year old oxford professor who was drinking the same thing as me, and during our rhetoric and pints we discovered we had something fundamental in common.
A love of cheese and cheese labels.
We spent at least two hours going through a fraction of his 25,000 cheese label collection. He had unreleased commemorative cheese labels from the '36 olympics that never happened. I would give anything to relive that night.
We both Sat on the far right hand side, not pictured here.
i appreciate whomever took ‘crazy’ out of the post tile.
punch up, everyone. not down. stop punching down.
I do feel a significant amount of this hinges on punching up vs. down.
Imagine how pissed you would be as a black woman who has gone through a lot of terrible stuff as a black teen, as a young black woman, and hear that a white woman suddenly decided she is black (and has passed for black, somehow). She co-opted someone else’s struggle, but didn’t live through it.
Necessary? No. Inevitable? Yes.
You’ve fairly ignored the entire context within which I made that statement.
My entire activity within this discussion has been to criticise her actions and to mention that the concept of punching down does provide a tool for providing insight into this particular situation.
That said, I still feel uncomfortable with using the punching concept in a blanket fashion. Its overuse becomes another thought terminating cliché. If I may be so bold as to use the exact same concept to point such a thing out. 
Ok, then how about “how pissed off would ethnicity X be if they found out Y was passing as X?”
Hard to imagine whites being pissed off at any minority achieving “white” status, didn’t we used to be horribly racist towards the Irish, etc? They get only benefits when assimilated. Now we just shrug.
I get the impression black people are pretty pissed off at her. And it has a lot to do with which direction the power flows.
Are you trolling me? 
You don’t normally… I actually use an example of a light skinned African American journalist infiltrating a white community of racist, lynching assholes in the South in order to report on their activities. (The idea being that as he is punching ‘up’ and very specifically to a community of murderers, there is no issue with lying to them.)
The very concept of White is so nebulous anyway, it becomes a matter of self policing nonsense, what with people resorting to calling even their cultural compatriots ‘plastic’ if they feel like they can acquire some kind of leg up on those they don’t deem pure enough to belong.
Before we go any further, could I ask you to read the rest of my posts in this thread, then tell me what my take on the situation is based on that information? At the moment I am not at all sure what you think we are arguing about.
