Who drives around on ALL the drugs?
I mean, nobody said it’s save to drive on weed AND ALL THE OTHER DRUGS
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I know an idiot who (until his bladder basically disintegrated, and he had to stop taking it or die) used to take ketamine and drive.
I don’t call obviously ill people idiots. Sorry if that sounded harsh.
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No, it’s a fair point, he was/is pretty fucked up, but still. I’ve had my problems with substance abuse, major ones, but that’s just outright dangerous, and he knew it. I suppose it’d be more accurate to call the people who’d gladly get in the car with him rather than hide his car keys and sit on him til he sobered up idiots, then.
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Then don’t do it!
Do -we- need new laws (new restrictions) so YOU don’t exercise your freedom irresponsibly?
Seems there are plenty of impaired driving laws already. Do none of those apply? Would a new law be more… respected somehow… by the impaired in their moment of decision making?
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It’s amazing to me how people speak as if they are knowledgeable about a subject when they have not actually done the research. You’re making assumptions based on your own biases which are based off of shoddy knowledge, half-truths, and personal feelings.
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These same people will scoff at your degrees and experiences. They’re not trying to change the world, they’re trying to change the subject.
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Yes, this is well known, but neurotoxicity does not mean human death in most cases of substance abuse, just that it is bad for neurons. It is possible to die from any of the speedy drugs, including meth, but it is uncommon and the neurotoxicity is mostly is about causing neurological change in the brain due to changes in receptor sites.
Edit- Were you aware that despite the neurtoxicity methamphetamine is still a Rx med for ADHD and weight loss in the US for adults and kids?
Yes, something is wrong with this analysis. Of what it is demonstrating. It cannot be the toxicity level. The official medical knowledge as of now is:
“At present it is estimated that marijuana’s LD-50 (LD = “Lethal Dosage”) is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.”
Additionally, in all places where marijuana has been legalized, whether outright or limited to medicinal use, rates of deaths of overdosing on painkillers have drastically reduced in a short time. This is easy to verify on the internet (reliable source of course, not something like “ILoveWeed.com” or something.) This makes perfect sense as people move towards smoking or eating marijuana and move away from relying on pain medication.
Please see the following YouTube video. It is another side of advocates of marijuana legalization. By elderly combat veterans… This is not a propaganda video. It is the real life effects of elderly combat vets who use marijuana strictly for medical reasons.
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and that’s bad for ‘lifestyle’, like you said they started out with a bad one of? This argument sort of kicks addicts. Addicts are sick, don’t kick sick people. Avoid them if you must, but judgement helps nobody, and it sounds a little judgy to me.
Almost like it’s so dangerous that a medical doctor should be involved in the decision to take it?
Also, aspirin would never pass a current FDA drug trial. The long tail of FDA bureaucracy alone proves nothing about safety or efficacy.
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I am still open to answers of causality; neurological, sleep, and energy changes are probably part of unconsciously making the lifestyle, though my unscientific interviews during EMS calls is that most people started in a desire to feel better because of a difficult life.
My feeling is that the ‘sick’ is actually a society which hyper-stresses the lower class to the point where they self medicate to escape or deal. When it is impossible (in the US) to obtain a legal prescription street drugs are the only psychoactives available.
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I don’t disagree with your point, however I do feel like the goalposts just moved.
Alcohol and meth are, in my experience, two smashing ways to utterly destroy whoever you used to be.
Self medicating to ‘deal’ is not a class issue. I have only my own anecdotal evidence to counter yours. The disproportionality of the poor being affected would seem to correlate to their disproportionate numbers compared to the middle class and wealthy, but not because the human propensity to suffer and offer abuse, to each other and ourselves, is more so in poor people.
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@AcerPlatanoides, pretty much agree with you.
Alcohol and Rx/street opoids are dangerous across classes though meth seems to not be something I saw in calls to ‘nice’ neighborhoods. I suspect that meth is mostly a lower price substitute for powder coke sometimes replacing crack which pretty much went away in my area in the 2000s. People of lower class are more likely to encounter police or call EMS rather than quietly calling a cab to a rehab clinc or having someone so I did see more of these people.
I suppose we are going around, and I certainly have not defined, use vs abuse.
If I were to define abuse it would be at the point where usage becomes what would be non-consensual to the previously unaffected person.
I still feel supported by most evidence that, unless a person is trying to blot something out with habitual use, meth, mdma, and coke use is probably not problematic for most truly recreational users; same thoughts for alcohol.
Said another way I am against nearly all forms of prohibition though I would like the FDA to reasonably regulate and label the OTC meth, pot, acid, heroin, ambien, insulin, penicillin, etc.
(edit, finish the thought dobby!)
And I strongly support a robust easy to access, nonpunitive, and ultra-private(cops have NO access) mental and addiction component in a comprehensive single payer socialized medical system.
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If you’re slumped over on a couch, notions of getting into the driver’s seat of a car wouldn’t exactly be in the forefront of your mind. Would it?
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Talk to your dealer about that. You are getting ripped off.
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I was adressing enforcement and field sobriety testing for existing laws.
I couldn’t agree more that the war on drugs is an ineffective and terrible thing. It’s made us less safe and drugs are likely worse than if we had just done standard policing actions against dealers and cartels, treated abusers instead of jailing them, and helped people instead of cornering them into bad places. I think we’ll probably loudly agree on these parts.
The best way anyone’s put it that I’ve seen is Anthony Bourdain in the Maryland episode of Parts Unknown; the war on drugs implies an us vs them, and there is no them. Only us; we need to properly solve this problem and not just make it a war against an arbitrary thing.
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Pot won’t be legalized until bureaucrats develop testing to limit liability, and what would be their motivation for doing so?
You wandered off the topic at hand of lethal overdose ratios, and made this general statement:
It’s not true, and that is what I pointed out.
Small doses of Methamphetamine may be prescribed in rare cases where it’s well known harmful side effects offer enough benefit.
There’s also this thing called chemotherapy, prescribed by Doctors as well. Having some pharmaceutical benefit doesn’t mean it is safe.
I have done lots of research in getting really drunk, and/or really stoned.
I have been in a car, but never in an airplane, so I do not really know much about how they fly.
I have seen birds fly, however, so I assume it has something to do with the wings?
Cause they both have wings, and both fly, so that is some science. also bats (not baseball bats, the Batman bats)
You know what is awesome? Echo-location. That blew my little 7 year old brain when I learned about how bats navigate.
So, in conclusion, assumptions are what make the Internet go round. (Although I don’t have any hard data on the amount of assumptions, I am just guessing)
