I appreciate that people on street corners trying to tell me about Christ or Islam are trying to do me a favour, but it stops feeling like the right thing to do when it’s a condition on getting food.
I’m sure that for many of these groups they see giving food as treating the symptom and giving spiritual advice as treating the underlying cause, but even if you accept that perspective I don’t think they are taking the right approach. It’s just that it makes me think a bit of Screwtape’s advice about turning someone from God by getting them to pray for their relative’s soul rather than for their relative as a person.
I’m going to cut in on this semi-private discussion to agree with you. I’m not Christian, but whenever I go to visit a particular friend in LA I always join him during his usual shift at Catholic Workers because they are an excellent example of how to do it right. There is no proselytizing at all. It is all about serving others. Period.
The Salvation Army, on the other hand, is just one example of the many organizations which do require the sermon in exchange for food and/or shelter.
So depending on one’s experience, one has either seen how it can be done well or how it can be coercive. Both are true.
Even though you joined in '13, you haven’t participated a whole lot until yesterday. Thus, you’ve missed out on the rich history of dick jokes in the comments section of this website. If it’s not your thing, then feel free to keep on participating hardly at all.
My first statement “Shame on you…” was an attempt to paraphrase what the original post was saying. Indeed, the petty, sneering POV of the post is plenty intolerant. A well-placed tasteless joke might make a point. The only point made by this post is that a cynical, adolescent, “Beavis and Butthead” view of life is not only acceptable, it actually is preferable to the good that this homeless shelter might be trying to do.
I partially agree with you. I was drawing a caricature. I felt upset about the post and I thought making a point out of it was OK. I agree that I shouldn’t make it worse by doing the same, I was feeling bad and wanted to point out what I thought was unjust. I believe the post is unjust. Other posters later on did it better than I did; the video, the appeal to give to the shelter. Peace to you and I’m sorry.
Maybe the post has been changed since it was first posted, but it is referred to a “Charmingly naive” and says they do good work. The linked post on the “Friendly Atheist” has no sneering comments and provides a link to the website which has a prominent donate button. The story was linked so we could laugh at a bit of dramatic irony (that definitely hinges on a juvenile Beavis-and-Butthead-esque reaction, for sure) and an unusual juxtaposition.
I think I can have a laugh at “Click Here to Join the Glory Hole Board of Directors” without being mean to anyone.
If anyone out there is looking down their nose at “stupid christians” for being stupid then that person is indeed being a total jackass, but I don’t think that’s what’s happening here.
[Note: If the post has changed since it was first posted and there was some sneering then good job pointing it out, you probably were part of what made the change happen]
The validity of your comment is probably perfect from your POV, but could be easily construed as opinion by anyone else. YMMV. I’ve been a member of BB forums for quite a while, and expect all manner of goofy stuff and serious stuff to get posted by the editors. Dick jokes to police extrajudical executions to unicorn chasers to feminist topics chocked full of MRA troll comments, I come to see it all (I skip the bananas and Disney stuff, though, not my bag). I’d miss the variety greatly if the editors conformed with the wishes of the minority expressing disappointment with the forums.
Yet you gave me a <3. You’re a good sport. Stick around, check out more topics; you may find your disappointment diminish with increased participation.
It depends upon which church, of course. But ritual is, generally speaking, purely symbolic. Christians might be more literally-minded than most, but even many of them seem to understand the symbolism behind things concepts as transubstantiation and resurrection. Even a church telling people to take it literally, does not imply that the church themselves understand it literally.