Chris Christie denounces "civil liberties extremists"

[stinkinbadgers]

Thanks, I’d never heard that quote before!

[anon73430903]

@pjcamp

Christie would have been a Tory.

Would have been? He sounds just like the Tories that Britain has to deal with today.

[anon67050589]

@stinkinbadgers

That’s another way of saying the oft repeated trope about how the constitution isn’t a suicide pact. Which is simply not true, it kinda was a suicide pact. The founders knew they were committing treason, and knew that they would likely lose their heads if they lost.

“We have to all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately” (my recollection of what John Hancock said before signing the Declaration of Independence…the Constitution came later).

[ugh]

I resent being told what I can and cannot enjoy when I’m in my coffin. Seriously, does Christie want to lose the vampire vote?

[dacree]

Leaders inspire. Politicians scare.

[Restless]

Civil liberties extremist? I’m okay with that.

[Brainspore]

@L_Mariachi

What one chooses to do with that spot is a separate issue. “Shamelessly exploit it for political gain” is one direction to take it, I guess…

Not the first politician in the tri-state area to go that route.

Giuliani To Run For President Of 9/11

[housewarmer]

You… you… Coward!

[jerwin]

[billstewart]

New Jersey is not an entirely different state from New York City. It’s next door, and most of New Jersey Transit is designed to get people from the burbs and medium-sized cities in NJ to jobs in New York. NYC is more connected to New Jersey than it is to, say, Westchester County, or certainly than to Albany.

Of course, sometimes those connections are subject to comments about “Nice bridge you’ve got there, be a shame if anything happened to it!”, but there’s a lot of deep cultural connection as well as geographical convenience.

And none of that justifies using 9/11 as an excuse to invade uninvolved foreign countries or violating the civil liberties of US residents wholesale.

[hmclachlan]

@stinkinbadgers

the oft repeated trope about how the constitution isn’t a suicide pact.

Ermmmm… you have a very good point that is bungled by historical confusion.

The constitution wasn’t a suicide pact; it was an organizing document drafted long after Britain had given up on us, in 1789ish. The Declaration of Independence was – most decidedly – a suicide pact. And wouldn’t you know, it’s the one we get a whole day off to celebrate. Because our ancestors understood the great moral value of a really good suicide pact.

The point to nail them with is: we needed the suicide pact in order to have the constitution. The constitution may be our foundational document, but the Declaration is and always will be our aspirational document. The men who wrote it would have been beyond astounded by what we now put up with in the name of national security.

[anon33466019]

[anon67050589]

Chris Christie, our Founding Fathers, and Jack from Lost in the same thread. I can’t even…

[stinkinbadgers]

Great points!