CIA torturers forced hummus, raisins, pasta and nuts into detainees' anuses

leeches and phrenology were once common as well.

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This is pretty deep stupid. I mean, I wasn’t expecting much, but wow.

There should be one major rule in foreign policy like in medicine:“first, do no harm”. I look at all that and think, one thing to write that report, another thing to do harm by releasing the report publicly.

This is one of those points when you realise that nobody is actually that stupid. There’s sharing dumb opinions, then there’s playing Just a Minute* where you only get points deducted for hesitation.

*British reference

Incidentally, Facebook doesn’t bother with “other coverage of the CIA report” in its suggested links for that video. If you liked that, you’ll like this:

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If the report is not released, the harm can continue, unabated. The individuals responsible for this travesty, and for not recognizing it as a travesty would still be occupying positions of responsibility.

Obama seems to be hoping that releasing the report by itself without holding anyone accountable will be enough to repair the damage. Bad Things happened, of course, but surely they were a big miscalculation by some truly dedicated and patriotic individuals. Who will not face any backlash. The important thing is that we’ve learned from our mistakes, and there’s no way that these Bad Things could happen again. These were mistakes in the system that were serious enough to cause damage, but vague enough that nobody can really be blamed and correcting them is a matter of a change in policy.

“The lines of accountability that needed to be set up weren’t always in place and that some of these techniques that were described were not only wrong were counterproductive.”

He also said that while it was impossible to imagine the pressures after 9/11, that “does not excuse all of us from looking squarely at what happened and make sure that it doesn’t happen again”.

“It’s important for us not to paint any broad-brush [picture] about all the incredible dedicated professionals in out intelligence community based on some actions that were contrary to who we are – but it’s also important for us to face up to the fact that when countries are threatened often they act rashly in ways that, in retrospect, were wrong,” he said.

“We need to acknowledge that in part in order build in place systems, so that if – heaven forbid – we find out ourselves under the kind of direct threats that have occurred in the past that we recognise the dangers ahead of time and do better.”

True that. Well, you did not specify the time period the report should be from. :stuck_out_tongue:

…these days, alcohol poisonings from booze enemas that seemed to be a good idea are another thing that gets spotted “in the wild”… Not exactly sure if it counts as a “medical necessity”, though.

ugh. Change we can believe in?

In retrospect, given the inherent nature of politics and politicos, it was perfectly believable.

Leeches are still commonly used. Slightly different circumstances and medical logic, but to be a bit of a pedant…

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