Clinton apologizes after calling Trump's bigoted supporters "deplorable"


#97

I suspect that a lot of never-Trump Republicans will be filling in their down ticket ballots and leaving the Presidential slot blank. And that the handful of them willing to vote for Clinton will be assuaging their consciences by maintaining their traditional R vote in the House and Senate.

If you want any political change, you need to take the House. Given the extent of the Republican gerrymander, the only way to do that is to increase Democratic turnout.


#98

I think we’re in pedantry territory on what to call the “maybe Trumps”. For my money, comparing them to other “middle ground voters” is not very productive.


#99

I am experiencing nib’poH… the feeling that I have seen this before


#100

Well, she is a woman.


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#101

Dennis Skinner, MP, aka “The Beast of Bolsover”, was called upon by the Speaker of the House to retract his statement when he said, “Half the Tory members opposite are crooks.” He withdrew his remark and said, “OK, half the Tory members aren’t crooks.”


#102

This whole “political violence” thing, do you mean things like the woman who attacked two other woman because they were wearing muslim headscarves? Or the attacks on and jeering of those who look Latino?

No, seriously, who has been assaulted for being a Republican voter?


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#103

It’s not an accurate number. It’s more than half. ~70% of Trump supporters still don’t think Obama was born in the US, which is rooted in racism.


#104

She also needs a professional apologist lapdog running around for her like Giuliani is doing for Trump.


#105

What are you basing this on? He got 3 million less votes than Clinton, so he didn’t even carry the party. Trump wanted to run against Sanders, which should tell you something - he knew about Americans’ inherent distrust of the word “socialism” (despite socialist policies benefitting them) and knew he could beat the “he wants to take your money and give it to the poors” drum that scares middle-america and undecideds. So if you’re going to make the case he’d be faring any better against Trump, you’ve got to make a better case than just declaring it.


#106

All the polls leading up to the end of the primary showed Sanders strong against Trump, and Clinton weak. And thats just how its played out. Clinton has too many hook points that allow Trump and the Republican publicity machine to chip away at her credibility. Sanders had none of these weak points. Everything they would attack him on - He’s a Communist!!! - boiled down to why he had broad support. Trump can’t undermine him by accusing him of being a socialist when we like him because he’s a socialist.

Yeah, Clinton won. She also cheated by colluding with the DNC. So fuck her.


#107

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/03/ugly-bloody-scenes-in-san-jose-as-protesters-attack-trump-supporters-outside-rally/





http://www.westernjournalism.com/68-year-old-man-punched-at-yard-sale-for-what-was-on-his-hat/

There has clearly been violence on both sides. But as far as I can tell, nobody has to run through a gamut of angry, violent protesters to listen to a HRC speech. To put up a “Trump” sign is to invite vandalism.


#108

Well, there’s worse people your kid could have run off with!


#109

I’ve said it repeatedly, Hillary is the one candidate that the Dems could have picked which would NOT result in a slam dunk win for them.


#110

Yup, Webb would’ve had a cakewalk


#111

She didn’t apologize. It was a “sorry, not sorry” and double down.


#112

Trump has insulted me on a weekly, sometimes daily basis for the past year. And been praised for it.


#113

Yup - so obvious, and entitled Clinton fans just don’t see it. Thats what happens when you believe the country owes you the presidency.


#114

There in lies the dangers of an “us vs them” mentality, as well as over generalizations.

I know people who will vote Trump not for him, but against Hillary. Against Democrats. They could have put a literal pile of shit on the ballot and they would still tick R. Doesn’t mean they are necessarily bigots, racists, or xenophobes. A lot of them are scared about certain issues. Personally I am still shocked Trump has the voter support he has. I am convinced anyone but Hillary would have his numbers lower. But their reasons for voting are more complex that just being deplorable people.

But anyway, one needs to use caution not to become what one hates. How many people have Anti-Muslim attitudes because of the actions some small factions? They don’t differentiate between the different sects of Islam, and lump them all together as “deplorable”.

So, don’t use the same sort of reasoning as the very people you find distasteful.


#115

If he couldn’t beat her in the primary, how correct were the polls? I think you live in a bubble and don’t realize most of middle America doesn’t actually know what socialism is, or the difference between socialism and democratic socialism. A large portion of them, apparently, are willing to support a bigot who wants to ban Muslims and build a giant wall, but you think they’ll be on board for “Communism” (in their mind)? I find that unlikely.


#116

Yeah, it kinda does. I don’t really give a shit how “complex their reasons” are-- if they’re voting for a racist, bigoted, xenophobe, then they have a hand in promoting that in the world. They don’t get to hand wave away their culpability in that just because they’re white and have the privilege of none of his shitty beliefs affecting them negatively.

[quote=“Mister44, post:114, topic:85071”]
How many people have Anti-Muslim attitudes because of the actions some small factions? [/quote]

This is a bullshit false equivalence and you know it. There are over a billion Muslims in the world who have nothing to do with terrorism, living their lives quietly like the rest of us. We’re talking about Trump supporters being held accountable for their actions - supporting and voting for a racist, bigoted, xenophobe.