Oh, now I understand. Yeah, if @LDoBe is speaking purely in that context, fine. And I do absolutely agree that replacing prescriptive values of ‘girls need to wear makeup to be pretty!’ with ‘You are beautiful on the inside - you don’t need that poisonous whores’ paint!’ is totally missing the point.
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I’m suggesting more a greater consciousness necessary to [honestly and without displacement] deconstruct behavior than a “distraction” or lack of focus.
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Great, then we agree. I should definitely leave it here though, my intention was really just to point out a couple of modern examples rather than take over the thread.
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That was basically what I was getting at.
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This above all else, primer before foundation.
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Yea no, how bout I don’t?
Interesting.
So you guys are forging “good men” with your activism.
Good to know.
Now I know why occasionally my wife kisses me gently on the cheek and says "you’re a good man ".
I thought it was my work ethic, keen sense of family values, my sensitivity to her children, and sharp dress sense.
Yes, being a good man involves feminism.
Someone who doesn’t see his wife as an equal and deserving of more than she is generally given by society is objectively not a good person, even if their partner has their expectations set to lower than they deserve and should be entitled to.
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And no, the bare minimum acceptable and “good enough” is not the best man you should ever hope to be. Certainly not if you don’t respect her in the process of all that bizarre redpill back-patting about how adequately male you are.
Lol at how “keen sense of family values” is offered in bad faith as a substitute for equality, especially when it represents the exact opposite, the husband’s complete ownership of his “property”.
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Sharp dress sense.
…but have you tried tweed?
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I volunteer every month in a cancer ward showing people how to use makeup to cover the blotches, marks, and redness that comes with the various treatments. I show them how to make it look like they still have eyebrows. I’m sure everyone in this discussion would say “but that’s different” when in fact it’s not. Putting on makeup whether to cover something up, because it make you feel better, or both is a personal choice and frankly it someone feels deceived by that, then it’s their problem. In this crazy world if makeup is a deal breaker…good riddance.
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Ah, a breath of fresh air.
You obviously haven’t met my wife…
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Going to need some context here, because mine was about an Everyday Feminism comic that debated whether or not it’s okay for a feminist to wear makeup (their conclusion: maybe.)
If you’re telling me that someone threatened to kill you, attacked you in the street, and threw bricks through your window for not wearing makeup, then I suppose the next question would be, what hellhole do you live in?
Then again, having been raised in the rural midwest and getting the crap kicked out of me because my lack of girlfriend obviously meant that I was gay…
Ummm, might need to edit to clarify who you’re talking to…
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It’s especially bizarre that he seems to be coming at this like it’s some new phenomenon. Like women (and men) haven’t been painting their faces since the beginning of time. And with much worse stuff than carnuba wax. At least we don’t load our foundation with lead anymore.
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As a privileged white cis male, I’ve been allowed to speak plenty. I also don’t have any experience as a woman. It’s just something that I don’t get to have as an input in my life. I don’t know what it feels like to be a woman threatened with rape. I don’t know what it feels like to not be taken seriously by my boss or whoever because of sexism. I don’t know what it’s like to be slut shamed as a woman. I don’t know what it feels like to have constant social pressure to be deferential to the opposite sex. I don’t know what it’s like to be told that I’m ugly or fat or too hairy or that I look tired all the time from not wearing makeup.
I don’t get to walk a mile in a woman’s shoes. But I do have the ability to listen to women. I have the ability to empathize as best a male can in such situations. And I have the ability to shut up unless I have something of value to contribute.
It’s better for me to not mouth off and mansplain, and instead try to understand other’s experiences in their own terms.
It’s the same policy I use when it comes to discussions about racism against black people. I’m not black, I’ll never be black, it’s not something I get to experience, so the only way I can understand the black experience is through what black people say about their own lives. So it’s better for me to shut up and listen in those cases too.
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He’s “enlightened” by a new vector by which he can demand that women appeal to him and bully/heckle those who do not.
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