The first post on these threads should be the relevant bingo card. It’s not going to stop the apologists, but at least we will be able to keep ourselves entertained.
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Two glaring problems here. Does civilized behavior mean uncritically doing whatever people ask you to do? Is that how you live? It’s funny that you are trying to frame the police as being especially polite here, that they are simply asking, making a reasonable request. But the politeness is superficial and ultimately false when they are willing to use violence to exact compliance from a nonviolent person in an otherwise nonviolent situation. Cops often try to sound nice, but the problem is that one cannot act both polite and entitled at the same time. Take for example, “Let’s see some ID”. “(Please) let us” frames this as a polite request, the pretense falls apart if one politely responds in the negative. Then they like to retcon it into an order which was disobeyed. Inspiring of neither respect nor compliance, if you were to ask me!
Secondarily, you are conflating issues of alleged criminality with those of mental health. Denying what is asked of one is not in any way “nuts”, “a threat”, nor “crazy”. And even if it was, that would place it outside of the purview of police responsibility, as mental health problems require a medical response rather than law enforcement.
If police genuinely need to know how to de-escalate, or what else their options are, simply ask the people who you are supposedly serving. We’d be happy to set you straight. If you are not serving the people then you are just some rando with a gun looking for trouble, and that doesn’t usually turn out well. The life you save may be your own!
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Ah, but does it though? More than once I’ve heard this request in a tone that informed me this was not a request.
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Also, looming over someone much smaller than you can be perceived as an intimidation tactic.
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The bottom line for people of all skin color is don’t fight the police and do what they ask. She did herself no favors acting all nuts like she did. She was a threat to everyone around her, including herself. How do you de-escalate someone that crazy? You strap them down and give them a sedative.
Question to those who’ve responded to this: why?
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Because discussion and debate are the raw material that society is made of! It’s what we do.
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Carry on, happy mutant!
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Because giving a troll a bootparty where I also have some power to ban them is really cathartic.
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They can’t help it.
They know driving trollies when they see it, but sometimes the sheer wrongness inherent therein strikes a chord inside that is very hard to resist.
I myself was tempted to open the dialogue box, but then thought the better of it.
True, but that’s not what trollies bring to the table.
I prefer to expend my time and energy on individuals who are actually worth it.
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Just remember, “To Protect and Serve” is just a slogan, not a policy.
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I’d say that they are self-protecting and self-serving.
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Has the bootlick squad left yet?
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Much respect for your outlook but holy buckets, what part of that post suggested he was open to discussion?
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I agree entirely. But I think that people are sorely out of practice in discussing social issues in any meaningful way and need all of the practice that they can get. Obviously, trollies are people who speak from a dishonest rhetorical position, but this doesn’t prevent one from sharpening their skills (or claws) upon it. IMO honest engagement sets a better example for both the trolley and casual readers. Not unlike a debate club, it is still a good exercise even if people are not arguing for/against their real personal position.
And it can be entertaining to watch trollies either fail to go into further depth, or undertake credibility-defying measures in an attempt to excuse or persuade. In any case, I think that people inevitably learn something in the exchange. Unless people get mobbed or silenced. My personal policy is that people should be free to debate or discuss any views, so long as the discourse itself remains civil.
Ideas can be insidious! Sometimes they sneak in and nag at people. And even if it didn’t give them anything to think about, they weren’t the only one who read it. That’s why I think even topics and views we would probably agree are terrible deserve debate. Those values and ideas do not come from nowhere. Especially when the main authoritarian tactic is to discourage debate and make discourse meaningless, doing it anyway is the best resistance.
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Damn. After reading that, I find myself standing on your side. Great post.
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How about she starts by obeying what the cop tells her to do instead of trying to walk/ride off? I suppose that’s too much to ask these days. None of this would’ve happened otherwise. But the pepper spray was over the top.
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Americans didn’t want free healthcare, no use crying about it now. I have several personality disorders and need daily medication, which costs a few hundred Euros a month - and that’s without any therapies, which cost a lot more than that. I’ve never had to pay a single Euro myself. And I don’t have any special healthcare, just the normal government system, every German citizen is automaticly part of. Pretty weird to think about, that there are actually parts of the world, were people are SCARED to go to the hospital - even if they actually need help.
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Yeah! After all we all know that people with fresh brain trauma are specialists for making good decisions, right?
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Mostly for cutting equipment from what I hear. AFAIK if there is even the slightest suspicion that someone in a crashed car has a spinal injury, they will cut the roof off the car to remove them while keeping their spine immobilised. In the UK at least, the equipment to do that is carried by fire engines not ambulances.
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What this thread needs is more Jack gifs.
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