I just want to see the Sheriff have ICE pick them up. Whether they RECOGNIZE their authority or not is moot when they have you in custody.
“You aren’t a US citizen beholden to it’s Federal Laws? Ok, sounds good to me, here is your cot while we process you to send you back to… I am not familiar with this country, Freeneilastan?. Your last name is O’Neil? We will send you back to Ireland then, O’Neil.”
I don’t think this is true. The draw of authoritarian leaders is that a very large number of people really just want someone to tell them what to do.
A, not the, and yes: some folks crave authority figures… but I suspect that they start getting very don’t tell me what to do when someone challenges their narrative about how things are supposed to be (cf Kim Davis).
Fair enough on a not the. But as for getting don’t tell me what to do in certain circumstances, I’d say being aggressive in defense of authority is a different drive than being aggressive in response to being told what to do. Like with Kim Davis I’d say she wasn’t so much rebelling against what the state told her to do as she was defending what someone else (homophobic preacher?) told her to do. Driven by fear of uncertainly rather than a longing for autonomy.
That’s an entirely different situation with First Nations/ Native Americans and comparing them with Sov Cit is incredibly disingenuous, which I suspect you realize. Sov Cits did not have shit taken from them in a genocidal and racist campaign of land appropriation. They are not sovereign nations with treaties with the Canadian, America, or British governments. First Nations and Native Americans are.
You’re not the boss of me, @anon50609448 ! 
Or, are sovereign Nations without treaties on unceded lands.
I crave ice cream sometimes. God damn you Ben and Jerrys!
Not really. There are a small subset who believe that negotiations on land claims etc can only be done with the Queen of England, since treaties were signed with “the Crown”, and thus, the govt of Canada lacks jurisdiction . That sort of naive legalistic historicism is directly comparable with some of the sov-cits, who like to haul out ancient constitutional docs to explain why the US govt has no jurisdiction over them. The circumstances of the individuals involved are very different to be sure, but the arguments are similar. I’m not talking about conventional land claims going through the court system.
I was once watching a case in a court and the defendant was obviously mentally unwell, and the judge ordered him placed into a mental ward until such a time as he was competent to stand trial. Probably nobody has ever heard of this kind of thing though.
One of the highest profile Sov-cits recently was Wesley Snipes, who ended up in jail. The ideology seems to have a larger appeal than just the white supremacists…
Maybe it’s just the white ones that can pull this shit and not end up in jail?
Worked for them Bundy assholes
He went to jail for tax evasion (millions of $), not for being a sov cit. But his arguments about why he didn’t need to pay tax were directly sov-cit.
Pretty much. Sov Cits do often have ties to white supremacist groups.
Well as they are sovereign citizens of somewhere not the USA, just ‘deport’ them TO the USA, where they conveniently happen to physically be already. Then lock them up as enemy agents trying to overthrow the state - and throw away the key?
That’s pretty much always the story. It’s not illegal to put some crazy label on yourself (as long as it isn’t “Police Officer”), but it is illegal to not pay your taxes. Most of these guys just want to get out of paying taxes and think they’re pulling a fast one on the government.
Bottomless recursion. I like how you think.
Yes, exactly; and they can totally have that kink, but I would prefer if they left me out of it.
Ding ding ding. I’ve known a few of these “sovereign citizen” dipshits in my life and when you dissolve away all the pseudointellectual arguments, it almost always comes down to wanting to have an excuse for not paying taxes.
Meanwhile they are more than happy to drive on public roads, cash their social security checks, and call the police when there’s a problem.
