I will say that if someone like Trump decides to have his own party and names it “The Good Party”, I will do everything I can to avoid orally describing the positions of that party as “The Good position” regardless of what said party prefers with regard to adjectival usage of their party name.
Thanks, @gracchus.
Just a a slight correction here; the use of “Democrat party” as an attack goes back well beyond 4 years; Goldwater used it. I do think that 45 was the first president to be such an asshat as to use it in public utterances.
At this point anyone who insists on trying to give grammar-based arguments in favor of the epithet is concern tr***ing.
You mean the Republic party?
I don’t really care for that. It makes it sound like it is the party of the republic. If anything it seems to improve the overall impression of the party.
Is it though? Again, I’ve heard people who are members of the Democratic Party, describe it as “the Democrat party”. When one uses it in those terms, we know who or what we are talking about.
Look, I’m sorry if I touched nerve here - but I don’t watch Fox news and by far the interactions I have with people are left of center, and I’ve never seen anyone get pedantic over noun/adjective use. I don’t believe the misuse of noun vs adjective is only by right wingers. Like I said, “republican” is both a noun/adjective, and most people treat “democrat” the same way. It maybe wrong, but “literally” literally no longer means “literally”, and decimate now means much worse then 10% of something destroyed.
I guess I should have said “the Democrat’s platform”, and then I’d be properly using it as noun.
More the point - does Sean Hannity’s attacks suddenly become less full of vitriol and hyperbole because he is now accusing the “Democratic Party” instead of the “Democrat Party”?
Ehhh I think it is much different because we are talking about a group of people - sometimes specifically the party, and some times people affiliated with the party. It isn’t a specific person’s name. Plus the common usage listed above.
If I am wrong with this - well - good luck correcting everyone. The right-wingers who are using it as insult are going to double down on it to “own the libs”. The well meaning moderates and fellow Democrats who never gave it much thought are once again going to feel like the Democrats are eating their own over the most unimportant of things and showing why the Democratic Party is so goddamn inept.
YMMV
Is it the intuition of people that “The Democrat position” is just as bad as “The Democrat Party”?
I doubt it. Card-carrying members? I’ve been a member for several decades, in several states, and everywhere I’ve been Party members knew that “Democrat Party” is an epithet. (Perhaps you heard people say “I’m a Democrat” – which is correct – and didn’t internalize the difference.)
most people treat
Citation needed.
It is also incorrect, and has nothing to do with “intuition”.
I am puzzled that you are continuing to push on this after you have been corrected. If you mispronounce someone’s name and they correct you, do you argue with them and insist on explanations?
Push on what? I asked a question. You point out that it is similar to mispronouncing a name. The name of the Democratic Party is “The Democratic Party”, so I was wondering if people feel that mispronouncing the actual name of the party is worse than using the noun-noun compound. The question was made in good faith.
In good faith, then, I recommend that you read the link posted above. Your questions have been answered.
Where in the article does it answer my question? I understand and agree that both usages are bad. What I want to know is if people think they are equally bad or whether it is more important not to mess with the actual name of the party. The point is not to defend either usage. The sort of answer I was looking for is “I find them equally bad” or “I think ‘Democrat Party’ is more offensive because it both uses ‘Democrat’ as a modifier and doesn’t say the name of the party right.”
They’re both bad. You want a linear ordering on “badness”? Come on.
Your persistence makes it not feel that way.
That’s like excusing people for using a racist slur because they heard someone use it and they didn’t know it was racist. It doesn’t make them a racist - unless they keep using it after finding out that it’s bigoted.
Maybe the folks on this thread who have now been informed that it is not just incorrect but rude could let that run through their heads.
As long as the accepted term is “The American Fascist Platform” for the Republican side, I’m cool with them saying whatever.
I think it is a bit disingenuous to compare it to a racial slur.
Oh believe me, the next time I call the Democratic Party inept, or criticize something on their platform, I will try to keep my nouns and adjectives in their proper place.
There’s nothing disingenuous about pointing out that, one can forgive, tentatively, someone making a rude remark out of ignorance; but to consider continuing to use it after being informed of its meaning to be the intentional insult that it is.
That’s good to hear. You are a good person and I would hate for you to be mistaken for an asshole.
I am a member of the Democratic Party, period.
I’m not the choir you need to preach to, brother.
I have been a member of the Democratic Party since 1970. Anyone who calls it the Democrat Party is a Republican.
Or a non-American, though then it really can be chalked up to ignorance. The Guardian routinely used the term, which drove me up the wall for years, especially when I was living there during a US election and it was my daily paper. They’ve finally changed, and even gone back and cleaned up some of their use of this in older headlines, but it still remains in text, eg