The Catholic church issues shiksas and straightening irons at the door. Just before the Bacon Mass of the Holy Assimilation.
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I suspect carlkingman is objecting both to “almost daily” and also “innocent”.
Looking at the “Police shootings 2016 database” you link, in upwards of 90% of the incidents, the first sentence of the summary contains “…armed with a gun|knife|sword|etc”, with “armed with a gun” leading the count; about 55% of people shot by police have a firearm.
But “About once a week, police kill an unarmed and presumably innocent person, most often a white or Hispanic man” doesn’t support the theory that police and white people are overt racists, so nobody uses that sound bite.
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What the shuddering fuck?
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Nope! I can’t actually watch that movie, because it’s too real. Keep in mind that there were only four actual actors in that movie–most of the people in it are actual people reacting to his character (like the shopkeeper… giving him an Israeli gun). Borat is just the exaggerated version of the kind of goy that most of us have had to deal with at one point or another, dialed up a notch or three for comedy’s sake.
But yeah… those beliefs? That we drink the blood of children and use it in our baking? That we have horns and sold our souls to the devil? Or that we’re Christkillers, or reflexively greedy, or that we control the banks or the media, or that we made up the Holocaust for sympathy?
Yeah.
People believe those.
Ironically, on the original topic, Trump’s base is split on what Solution they’d prefer to the Jewish Problem. The Neo-Nazis want to pick back up the Holocaust and finish the job this time, while the Evangelicals want to herd us all into Israel so they can have a mass ritual blood sacrifice in order to raise their zombie god from the dead.
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I’ve heard, in formal settings like some of the pipe ceremonies and talking circles I have attended as an observer, the phrase “First Nations People” as well. When I speak to pipe-carrying elders (and that is rare, but they come by our neighborhood for a particular sweatlodge ceremony once every 5 or 10 years), I hear them refer to themselves and their tribal members as Indians. Period.
Russell Means, the Lakota activist and founder of the American Indian Movement (AIM), has strongly rejected Native American in favor of Indian:
I abhor the term Native American. It is a generic government term used to describe all the indigenous prisoners of the United States. These are the American Samoans, the Micronesians, the Aleuts, the original Hawaiians, and the erroneously termed Eskimos, who are actually Upiks and Inupiats. And, of course, the American Indian.
I prefer the term American Indian because I know its origins . . . As an added distinction the American Indian is the only ethnic group in the United States with the American before our ethnicity . . . We were enslaved as American Indians, we were colonized as American Indians, and we will gain our freedom as American Indians, and then we will call ourselves any damn thing we choose.
source: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/aihmterms.html
I found this piece instructive:
When I traveled in Mexico, mostly I heard two words: mestizo (mixed race, one of which is a First Nations tribal member) and indigenas.
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It might be that the family is unhappy that the factory or mill closed and moved overseas. It does not matter to those people whether it moved to Bangladesh, Mexico, or Norway. Or if they cannot afford to farm because of cheap imported foods, or subsidized giant ag firms pricing them out of the market. Just saying that all of their issues are caused by them being racist deplorables is not very accurate.
If some guy on an H1-B visa, or a worker in a foreign factory gets my job, I am not going to be angry at that worker. It isn’t his fault. He did not cause it. The cause is much higher up on the food chain, and I think most people recognize that.
Of the people I know personally who are likely to vote for Trump, none of them are racist, as far as I know. Some really fear Hillary, others are just tired of Bush/Clinton/Obama always being the same,.and see sending Trump to Washington as an alternative to mailing a box of snakes to the Capital building.
It is simplistic and naive to believe that anyone who does not support HRC must be stupid or racist.
I also think it is wrong to assume that the current direction of change is inevitable or unavoidable.
To paraphrase Golda Meir, " I can understand the democrats wanting to wipe us out, but do they really expect us to cooperate?"
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Just the main ones…
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You mean like when cops shoot a black man who is in the process of informing them he has a firearm (legally) after they pull him over while the whole thing is recorded by his girlfriend? That sure sounds familiar.
Only someone who never encounters and talks to black folks would claim that the cops don’t overwhelmingly kill black men. You have to live in an insulated white world to be that blind.
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Not to forget “examining a BB gun for sale in Wal-Mart” and “playing with a toy gun in a public park”. Plus the classic “in possession of a firearm that was planted by police after the shooting”.
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The central issue as I’ve heard it less politically laid out is that your American peoples did not have a distinct autonym for themselves collectively before Columbus. Because why they hell would they? We don’t go around referring to 'eastern hemisphereans". We cut things up finer. European, Asian, Sub-Saharan African. And so forth. Group things more often by related history, cultural, and linguistic roots than by pure geography. Whichever catchall you use. With American cultures you’re grouping together a lot of people and entities that are only loosely related or associated to each other at best. And then on mostly racial or geographical lines.
So indigenous peoples in the US seem to prefer to stick with the catchall traditionally used in the US. Indian or American Indian. But that’s confusing because there’s also West Indians. And Indian Indians. So people cast about for better. I don’t think “Native American” grows out of the actual cultures concerned. More of an academic attempt at a more accurate catch all. But its linguistically awkward and contains some connotations that are just as bad as “Indians” associations with oppression here. American would be ideal, but it too is confused as that’s usually applied to all denizens of the United States of America. Colombian would also work. Since that’s an alternate name for this area of the world. But a country has also claimed that.
First Nations is the Canadian term. And as some one who’s not affected by this in the least I quite like it. Because it underlines what we’re actually talking about. Cultures, nations, states that were already here. While also calling out that these were actually complex political arrangments of varied unrelated people. Which we usually ignore. And Indigenous Canadians seem to have pretty well embraced the term. But its linguisticly awkward to use. And it doesn’t seem to be catching on here in the US.
In Spanish speaking countries I’m pretty sure its Indigenas, which would be Spanish for indigenous. But I had a teacher who like to use it as an example for false cognates, and to explain the difference between transliteration and translation. Its pronounced “indy he nas” which is curiously close to “indians”, translates as indigenous, but would probably be transliterated as “indigians” which is fun to say. This is all entirely useless to the subject at hand, we already have the word indigenous. But Its a fun example of language being strange.
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I think this is what I meant: it’s a certain few people, not a wholesale disrespect. It’s a trope in many TV shows, and certainly promulgated on right wing radio, but the notion that significant numbers of people in the cities are saying nasty things about people in rural areas just doesn’t seem to me to have any bearing on reality.
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The guy took on the pseudonym “Wong” for his professional writing surname? And this is after having grown up in southern Illinois, where he literally may not have ever had an Asian kid in any of his classes prior to going off to college. That does not sit well with me. I hope there’s a really good story to explain it.
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It seems sketchy to me as well, but beyond a little initial sketchiness I really don’t see the problem. It’s not like that one white guy in Indiana who entered an Asian poetry contest with a fake Asian name and totally appropriated the culture, all because he couldn’t make it as a poet using his real name.
This fake David Wong is not appropriating Asian culture beyond the name, and he deliberately chose the name so his coworkers wouldn’t realize he was writing about them. Nobody would suspect a white guy in southern Illinois of being David Wong. That was really the whole point of the name.
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Did you not know that, until the Pope turned it down, his original name for his society was Frankie and the X-men?
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Have you read Confederates in the Attic? The author says proud display of the Loser Flag is more common in states that didn’t fight for slavery.
Apologies, I didn’t mean to offend. A slicker is a polished cosmopolitan hustler, the town mouse caricature, as a hick or hayseed is an dirty ignorant farmer, the country mouse caricature.
Stereotypes generally start from a seed of truth before bolting to a noisome flower of bigotries.
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I understand you’re playing devil’s advocate but I have to counter by saying that those things actually have not been widely available. I grew up in a progressive area of the South, but know a lot of people who didn’t get the opportunity to learn about safe sex and how to use contraception correctly. Add to that the inaccurate assumption among many religious groups that contraception itself is either killing embryos or is morally wrong to use in the first place. Ever try to enter a Planned Parenthood or women’s clinic while being screamed at or accosted by protesters just to get your pap smear or an iud? And what if you live in Texas, Wyoming or Montana and have to travel days to even reach a clinic? And even take the cost of birth control is prohibitive. I live in California now where it’s widely available for low prices but this is not everyone’s reality.
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Understand. Thanks.
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In a state with open carry laws.
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Guilty… I don’t know about really bad experiences (compared to most people on Earth I had it great), but search the BBS for “Arlington” and see how many times my avatar appears.
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I honestly don’t doubt you on this. Non-Christians (and by this I mean anyone who isn’t protestant, because Catholics aren’t real christians to many protestants - they are papists) rarely have an easy ride down here. Living in a bluish bubble around the ATL, it’s sometimes easy to forget this level of ignorance exists.
And that’s not the only reason why, either, even if it’s a first one to make one, at the very least, wary.
I honestly imagined it was a hold over from the past that rarely informed people’s modern frame of antisemitism. I’ve seen plenty of stuff about Jews controlling the media, the culture industries, etc, but not this medieval weirdness. You still hear sometimes people assuming that Leo Frank was guilty and that justified his lynching (which the local Jewish Museum has tried to educate the public about).
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