Someone who committed a crime doesn’t need to be dealt with on the street - one shouldn’t be shot for what the police suspect. Our system is supposed to work on innocence and black men are rarely afforded that privilege. [quote=“ACE, post:227, topic:87585”]
doesn’t support the theory that police and white people are overt racists, so nobody uses that sound bite.
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This isn’t about overt racism, but systemic racism. Look at black men as more prone to criminal behavior is a key part of that. As long as that’s true, justice is elusive.
If I had to generalize, I’d say that you most typically see it among the fire-and-brimstone types who honestly and sincerely believe that Satan is everywhere and actively working towards corruption. Or, in other words, the lowest of the low-information types.
Likely so… I never had those fire and brimstone christians in my circles. My dad’s family is catholic and my mother’s side is methodist. My sister is a born again, but she goes to a pretty modern mega church. I tended to avoid those types as a young person.
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Someone who committed a crime doesn’t need to be dealt with on the street - one shouldn’t be shot for what the police suspect. Our system is supposed to work on innocence and black men are rarely afforded that privilege.[/quote]
So not one of the ~1K people killed by US police in 2015 posed an immediate threat? All 564 of the “man with a gun” victims of police were innocent, could have been arrested peacefully? Of these, the 224 who were shot after they had actually opened fire on police or others, those shooters were also innocent “victims” of police?
Justice is elusive, maybe we can start with eliminating unjustified shootings?
Statistically, a white victim is most likely to be victimized by a white man, but that’s more about how many white men are in the USA (and who the victim is most likely to interact with in their daily life) than about any race being “prone” to criminal behavior.
That’s easy. When something bad happens, it’s Satan. Whenever something good happens, it’s God. People you don’t like are with Satan, people you like are with God. By default.
How about people are flawed beings, but ultimately beings with agency over themselves?
That’s not what we’re saying… there is enough where that was indeed true to indicate a real problem with policing shaped by structural racism. Police should be trained to deescalate. When they give the person they are shouting out 2 seconds (especially when that’s a 12 year old) to drop their weapon, how is that deescalating.
We are talking specifically about cops shooting POC and treating POC as more prone to criminality. Whites are less often suspected of doing so and are less likely to be surveilled by police. None of this is conjecture on my part. It’s why our prisons are filled with black men… it has little to do with them committing more crimes.
This stuff might make you uncomfortable, but it doesn’t make it any less true.
Oh. I thought maybe you were just joshing a bit by using the term “slicker”, but you really meant it. You didn’t say hick or hayseed, just “country folk” in contrast.
It makes me realize that I’m probably missing a lot of subtle prejudice in what people say about city folk.
If you look at how civilized countries handle similar situations, you’ll see that all of them together don’t come close to shooting and/or killing as many potential suspects as we do in the U.S. Clearly it is possible to not kill someone even if they pose a credible threat in the moment.
You’d be surprised. I hear all sorts of stuff from my many Jewish friends. One of them was asked on a blind date if he was willing to let her see his gold. He was deeply confused. Apparently the claim is all Jews carry a bag of gold coins on their person at all times for… reasons? Identification or bribes or something. I think it may have come from a particular South Park episode as a parody of these sorts of claims. But years later there it was as an actual feature of antisemitic conspiracy. Though I’m not sure if South Park might have picked up some weird thread from some actual reprobates.
And this happened in Manhattan. Land of chopped liver and Glatt Kosher Indian restaurants. He also got a lecture from our land lord once about how he needed to move back to Israel. So that he could be killed there to bring about the Rapture. That was in Philadelphia.
How bigs the Jewish Community there? Cause NY’s massive, Phily’s is pretty damn big (particularly at the University we were attending). Big part of why we were so shocked. You don’t expect to hear those sorts of things down the block from a Synagogue, or a restaurant with Kosher craft beer options.
Pretty tiny; less than 10k, I think. But, yeah, I’m not playing “can you top this” because I’m in complete agreement with your assessment–with just under half of the world’s Jews in NYC, I will admit to being surprised that that particular bit of bigotry is there.
Nah I was just curious. It makes a little more sense to me to have occasional brushes with that stuff even in liberal, inclusive places if there’s a total lack of exposure. Like I could see a person in a lilly white New Hampshire town legitimately believing the gold thing. Simply from a point of ignorance rather than buying the conspiracy levels of it. I mean Sikhs carry knives as a symbol of faith. Christians carry crosses. Mormons wear special underwear. People do weirder things as a sign of faith.
But to hear any of this stuff in a place where you literally cannot not know a Jew or 30 is baffling. Particularly when it involves picking up the conspiratorial content.
Matt Stone is Jewish, so that’s likely how they were aware of the stereotype, I’d guess. [quote=“Ryuthrowsstuff, post:256, topic:87585”]
He also got a lecture from our land lord once about how he needed to move back to Israel. So that he could be killed there to bring about the Rapture. That was in Philadelphia.
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This is more what I’m used to hearing/aware of. As is the Jewish relationship to gold and banking. Those are the antisemitic tropes I’m more aware of.
Well, that’s the thing; the Rapture stuff isn’t a conspiracy–it’s an article of faith among a certain subset of people, and, on top of that, it’s prescriptive (something to be done to to the Jews) rather than descriptive (something false about the Jews).
Yeah but I never heard of it or saw it before the South Park episode, and I generally keep my ear to the ground on the subject. And trying to look up any info about it all roads lead to South Park. Like I said its possible they went with something very old and forgotten, or picked up some sort of early inkling of something new. Something along those lines. But even Wikipedia attributes its creation to South Park.
Yes. But anything involving Christian Eschatology has deep ties with various Conspiracy theories. And the particular weird of Global Jewish Conspiracy, Jewish banking control, and a bunch of other Antisemitic classics are shot right through Evangelical takes on the end times. Most of that stuff is extra biblical, a lot of it is fairly recently conceived. So a lot is drawn from common conspiracy theories. Like its not uncommon to hear that the Anti-Christ absolutely will be Jewish (perhaps masquerading as Christian). Since the Anti-Christ is meant to be wealthy and influential. So he must be a business man. And those 12 Jew Bankers control all the business and all the money.
ETA: A surprising amount of conspiracy theory. Psuedo-science and psuedo-history is shot through and through with insanely racist ideas. And most of your racist ideology is based in part or in whole on conspiracy and fake knowledge.
Indeed. It’s been true since history became a political battleground with the rise of nationalism in the 19th century. Competing ideas of national histories easily bent into what we’d consider conspiracies as who “belonged” became a contentious issue.
Well, Poles think that Jews are buried with gold, which has lead to an upswing in grave desecration over there. But, thinking on it (and tamping down on my rage), it has to be a relatively new belief, or they would have been desecrated well before this.
