Florida man hires pool cleaner, then shoots 30 rounds when he doesn't recognize him

You have always been able to defend yourself with deadly force if you’re actively being threatened and are unable to escape, especially in your own home. That’s common law self defense. Common law also said that if you can escape the situation, you have a duty to retreat. Stand-your-ground laws remove that duty. In many states, you are also allowed to just assume any intruder in your home is a deadly threat, whether they actually are or not. States like Florida have both, so you end up with this. If someone is trespassing on your property or in your house, you can just flat out execute them. You can shoot first and ask questions later, and be immune from prosecution. It’s insane.

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Do not live in Florida, do not work in Florida, do not visit Florida, do not travel through Florida. Florida is now a death zone not suitable for human life and will likely remain so until major political upheavals.

Sadly this precaution isn’t feasible for everyone (including, unfortunately, most people who already lived in Florida before it fell).

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So that’s regular old “self defense” in all 50 states.

Stand your ground the phrase means that you don’t have a “duty to retreat” and can use deadly force merely if you are threatened.

Stand your ground laws as implemented in several GOP mob ruled states mean that in addition all that matters is that you “feel” threatened, that feeling doesn’t have to be reasonable, and the victim doesn’t have to be doing anything wrong at least as long as the relative skin colors of the shooter and victim are in the right order.

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It’s time to start making a list for all businesses in Florida.

Any of these people who shoot before asking questions and are protected by the stand your ground law should lose the right to receive any services at their home.

No more grocery deliveries, no more Lawn Care, no more pool cleaning, no more deliveries from UPS, FedEx, Amazon delivery, DHL, none of it.

If they want to be trigger happy assholes, they can do their own damn work.

They can drive out to the pickup locations and pick their stuff up.

And if the companies won’t do it, the workers should.

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I repeat: it is time for Dems/progressives/everybody to rename “stand your ground” laws as “right to murder” laws.

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Nope. You just have to “feel” threatened.

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Stand your ground law: I “feel” threatened.

At some point, you’re just fucking delusional. :roll_eyes:
If this gentleman is scared of everything, he should go up the mountain or down the swamp and become a hermit himself. He lives in a civilized society but acting like a fucking caveman.

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Jesus.

I hope that the victim can at least bankrupt him in a civil lawsuit

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Not even. You just have to say you “feel” threatened.

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No amount of hazard pay would be enough. At least, the cops get pension and all those benefits.

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The homeowner yelled for the person to get out and go away. Then he heard noises.

Were these noises by chance “Hey, it’s your pool cleaner, sorry I’m late”?

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I wonder how Ron DeSantis poll numbers are doing after this incident. Remember candidate DeSantis’ 2024 Presidential pitch is: Make America Florida!

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Dark at 9 PM at the end of June? Still sunglasses where I am :slight_smile:
Yeah, probably should have told the residents, but yikes! Hope a civil suit is an option.

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That thought crossed my mind as well, especially since JWs are one of the most racially diverse religious groups in the US (36% White, 32% Latino, 27% Black, 6% other according to a 2014 Pew Research Study). All it takes is one Black or Hispanic young man to walk into George Zimmerman’s neighborhood.

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I’m not in Florida, but last autumn I woke up around midnight and saw some people with flashlights tromping through the back yard. If it were Florida, would I have legally been allowed to shoot them?

Turns out it was a bunch of cops looking for someone, but they’d given no notice and didn’t even have their lights flashing, so there was no way to tell.

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Yikes - that is incredible to have something as subjective as ‘feeling threatened’ actually specified as a criteria that justifies shooting anyone without repercussion. I suspect that they intended for this kind of stuff to happen when they passed this law.

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Aside from the dire domestic policy situation; is it considered a bad sign for a Lieutenant Colonel to limit the severity of his friendly fire incident only by missing 30 times; or is that sufficiently high ranked that they are considered firmly on the side of management rather than implementation?

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Given that this is Florida, probably the best we can hope for is that the guy did serious damage to his own pool and patio, his homeowners insurance denies any claims to get it repaired, and no contractors are willing to do the work at a reasonable price.

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Yep, that was almost an hour after sunset there, in fact - the pool guy needed a flashlight to see (which also obviously wasn’t ideal for cleaning either, adding to his misidentification as a prowler).

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Stand your ground laws are not unique to Florida. The solution is not to cordon off vast swaths of the country or flee, the solution is to deal with the shitty laws that create this situation.

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