If you review my posts, I have not claimed that. I do claim that the kid would be in a system where the cards are innately stacked against him if there were no video. Officer may or may not be racist, don’t know him, no evidence one way or the other in the story. The criminal justice system is absolutely racist, largely by design dating back decades to centuries. Without the video, the kid is screwed, and that sucks.
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Rochester Hills, Michigan is a quite wealthy area, and there aren’t any dead motor vehicles sprinkled on that lawn, so let’s depart with this myth that the shooter is a redneck. Bigoted POS will suffice, thx.
@Seginoviax: How could the cop have acted differently? Start by not automatically believing the white dude who unlawfully discharged a firearm in the direction of a black child.
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Apologies. For some reason this got transposed to Florida in my brain, my bias is definitely showing. I will say that wealth does not necessarily preclude redneckness.
Ankle socks and crocs are redneck
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There’s been research to indicate that it’s not just white cops. Cops of other ethnicities begin to adopt the same institutional racism of their cop peers and kill minority suspects at about the same rate. White cops aren’t the problems. Cops are the problem.
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An adult pointed a firearm at a child and fired. Race and gender shouldn’t come into it.
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they did their job… eventually. What’s that expression about justice delayed? Justice delayed is awesome? justice delayed is fair and good? No… That’s not it. It’ll come to me.
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It really doesn’t matter if Pace questioned Walker himself or if another LEO took his statement. He had both statements before he saw the video. He was the lead investigator. If you go back to the articles from the days of the event (April 12-14, 2018) from the local papers (The Detroit Free Press, the Metro Times, and The Detroit News) the timeline unfolds: the shooting took place on the morning of Thursday, April 12. Statements from both Zeigler and Walker were taken before noon that day. Ziegler was arrested Friday, April 13, and released Saturday April 14 on $50k bond.
Next time, please do your own homework.
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He would not shot at a young white girl.
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Or a young White man.
It would be really nice if race and gender were not considerations that need to be taken into account… but that’s simply not the reality we live in.
The problem that most people arguing in good faith here have tried to address is that the system itself as it currently exists is broken; the inherent bigotry and bias in favor of straight White males is already “baked in.”
A steadfast refusal to see that reality and the temptation to try make it about one individual instead of the entire system at large is a big part of the problem.
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It would be, wouldn’t it? I know as a woman, I have to question every interaction, wondering if it’s based on a skewed perception of me because of my gender. That’s not just because I’m a nutty woman whose paranoid. I know that people of color (of any gender) do much the same. Those microaggressions make everything that much shittier on a daily basis. And then when shit like this happens, and people start whining and moaning about how we shouldn’t make it all about race and gender, well, that just shows that they have not been listening or seriously studied the history of this country and how it’s been for people of color and for women of all races for a very long time now. It shows me that they literally do not care about anyone who doesn’t look just like them. And it makes me very sad, not just for me or you, but for them as well. How sad it must be to not want to live in the world as anything but entirely myopic and blind to the rest of humanity. What a sad and blinkered existence…
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and @Melz2 While I agree based on what we know and can reasonably assume…we do not know for certain that isn’t true. I can certainly envision an asshole like this being an asshole to anyone/everyone; not just based on race.
So while I think simply saying “An adult pull a gun on a child and pulled the trigger” is all we need to convict this asshole of being an asshole; the details just make things worse. And definitely lead me and I think anyone with a brain to say that race would matter to this assclown.
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Absolutely.
As a woman of color, it’s doubly so for me.
And because of years of hearing denialists screaming about some “race card” as if this is all some sort of child’s game, I’m very wary about just immediately assuming that racism is at the root of any given conflict.
That’s what makes it so very frustrating when an incident is obviously racially motivated, and yet there are still people who will twist themselves into pretzels in order to claim otherwise.
That’s the message that I’m getting as well, loud and clear.
I agree with you that in a sane, rational and equitable world, that should be all the info that was needed… but again, that’s not the reality we inhabit.
I also hear your point that we can’t know for absolute certain that the asshole in question wouldn’t have leveled off a shotgun at anyone who happened to step on his porch, regardless to the color of their skin… but personal experience and a lifetime of witnessing ingrained bigotry makes me very doubtful that race wasn’t at least a partial factor in the shooter’s mind.
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THIS. If you have shot at someone, you should get arrested as fuck til the whys and wherefores are established. At the very least.
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unfortunately…
I am 99.99999999999999999999999999999999327650987129% certain race AND gender were definitely a factor here.
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Agree, but current “Stand Your Ground” laws in many states make that impossible. I do not know if that applies in MI, but again, “not the reality we live in.”
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