And that is oddly specific. 
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Guess I missed this yesterday. Jesus Christ, WTF is wrong with this guy? It’s on video, 100% attempted murder charge. I guess he is on trial now, but that video is pretty damning.
And this has probably already been mentioned, but the sick, sad reality, at least in the US, is that black kids in the US are subjected to attitudes where they are treated as older than they really are. I’ve read and watched a few things on this and is pretty disturbing. I mean like little girls in 1st grade being told to toughen up and not be a baby, vs another girl being coddled for the same scraped knee. Yes, yes, not all people share this attitude, but it seems to be prevalent in our culture. Even if one isn’t aware of this attitude, you probably have it. 
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I’m not aware of any Stand Your Ground legislation having passed in Lansing, but we have long standing Castle Doctrine laws.
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So, as I understand those, after he shoots the kid, he has to drag him inside the house, right? Assholery abounds.
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Obviously this guy is lying. However, your statement is nonsense. Remember, it’s pretty much impossible to prove an always/never statement, but it’s easy to disprove them.
I lost my cousin to an accidental shooting a decade ago. He was firing handguns with two of his best friends. His friend had been firing a gun with a hard trigger pull. He set it down and picked up a gun with a very light trigger pull and in the process of picking it up shot and killed his friend standing next to him. This was an accident. Shit like this happens way too often (of course even once is way too often). When cops switched from revolvers to glocks there were many instances of “glock foot” or “glock leg”. To say they were lying about accidentally shooting themselves is ridiculous.
Unless you really mean “there is no such thing as a blameless firearm discharge”, which I would agree with, but is clearly not what you mean given the context of your statements.
So what do you mean?
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If you want to REALLY get your blood boiling you should read the comments on the Fox News article -
Here’s just one of the beauties those fucking “ImNotARacist” racists are throwing around -
After watching the entire video, utube. I think this was a burglary that was stopped before it started. Consider: 1) The kid walks straight to the front door, not wandering like he is lost. 2) He’s standing right at the front door, not stepping back a few feet like a normal person would, who knows their presence is unexpected & might startle the person at home. You can explain yourself & ask for directions from several feet away. 3) When the man comes out w/ a shotgun, he immediately runs away at full speed. While this may seem logical at first blush, consider the (2) possibilities here, A) he’s an innocent person looking for directions or B) He is a bad person looking to rob the home or worse, if only the woman is at home. In the case of (A), an innocent person. When the homeowner comes out w/ a gun, I would never, never just start running. The first response would be to throw up your hands and back up a couple steps (let the person know you are not a threat, diffuse the situation) and explain “Hey, I’m only looking for directions.” If the person wants to shoot you, running doesn’t help. OR- (B), you are there with bad intentions (rob, etc…). The door opens with a man holding a shotgun. You flee because you know the jig is up, no point in staying around. Remember what the Lord said about the mindset of those w/ bad & good intent: “The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are bold as a lion.”
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Exactly what I said. I adamantly reject any equivocation or exception, because those things are not possible in matters of this nature.
The word everyone should be using is negligent, not accident. And negligence should be grounds for a trip to the station in the back of a cop car every time it happens in the direction of a child.
That language matters. In English, the word accident strongly implies there’s no fault. It was a quirk of fate, or bad luck, or a string of improbable coincidences leading to a terrible outcome.
But with guns, those things are not possible: guns are designed to do what they do only as a consequence of a chain of explicitly deliberate actions.
A gun is not like a car. A car is not a device designed to send a payload at lethal speeds towards any target it is pointed at.
A gun cannot accidentally be loaded. All loaded guns are dangerous. And because of its dangerous nature, a gun cannot accidentally be pointed at a person in a random direction. Because of where the bullets emerge from the device, they cannot be accidentally discharged.
Anyone who claims a gun has gone off by accident towards a person is seeking to obscure the truth about what actually happens with firearm handling and the incident in question, like so:
- “It was an accident” It was not my fault!
- “I was negligent” The fault is mine.
Only one of those statements can be true, and if it isn’t true, it’s a lie, and if that lie is exercised towards a child, then it’s a contemptible lie.
There are no accidents with guns. Any attempts to change this language should be resisted and corrected.
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Well of course, but how likely do you think if this had been a white child, that asshole would have shot at them. Race matters, because it always matters in America.
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I completely agree with that, even if the guy did trip and the gun went off, that was because he was NEGLIGENT in his trigger discipline. Never put your finger in the trigger guard until you are 100% about to fire.
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This is true and actually the nomenclature used typically in firearm safety. But it probably isn’t the words used in “everyday speech”. Many car accidents are due to the negligence of at least one person, but usually they are just called accidents.
But in safety circles, they are referred to “negligent discharge” and “accidental discharge”.
Negligent discharges make up the bulk of accidents, whether you goof up not properly clearing a weapon before pulling the trigger, pulling the trigger when you don’t mean to, pulling the trigger because you have poor trigger control and have a finger on the trigger vs to the side, etc etc. Negligent discharges can still be “safe” if you follow all the other safety rules. But there was still a physical action taken by the shooter, even if they “accident”.
There are still accidental discharges that can be caused by a mechanical problem with the firearm. They are rare, especially this day and age, but still happen. My dad had one like 15 years ago when he discovered a deer rifle could fire when the safety was switched off. He was able to replicate the problem, and sent it back to the factory to have the trigger replaced.
I suppose the one other type of accident is from coordination errors - tripping, dropping a firearm, slipped from hands, etc. It can happen in the field and in sports. I guess you can still fault people for tripping or what ever.
And circling back to the topic, even if he didn’t “mean” to pull the trigger when he did, it was a negligent discharge, not an accidental one.
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A toddler accidentally discharges a firearm due to the gun owner’s negligence. Again, if you’re trying to say “there’s no such thing as a blameless firearm discharge” I completely agree with you; even a discharge caused by a defect is the fault of the manufacturer.
Yeah for sure, there’s nothing accidental about doing 9/10ths of the actions required to shoot at somebody. Even if the final 1/10th WAS unintended that doesn’t make it an “accident”.
Watching the video, it looks to me like he aims, pulls the trigger, realizes the safety’s on, and fires as soon as he takes it off. The only possible “accident” there was that he accidentally didn’t manage to hit the victim.
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UPDATE: He was found guilty of “assault with intent to do great bodily harm” which is pretty chickenshit since the prosecution was hoping for assault with intent to murder.
Hopefully he’ll be sentenced to and serve the full ten years…
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Welp - that is a felony. He just lost several rights.
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Holy klan Batman! What grand wizard wannabe wrote that shit?
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Actually, if one can keep both the bile and the blood pressure down, some of it’s fascinating reading. It’s bizarre and alarming how these Trumpkins have given up on the idea that reality matters.
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I did read it, may God have mercy on my soul. I guess the line between “fascinating” and “Puke my guts out” is thinner than I thought, or perhaps your tolerance is higher than mine. I will agree that they (Trumpkins) have done much better job Savaging than I ever could. (“I reject your reality and substitute my own.” Adam Savage)
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I try to be fairly chill in life. Not take things personal. Separate yourself from those around you - but no… it’s not fascinating, it’s maddening.
