This is a really dumb question. Caring about what other people think is actually extremely important to fundamental aspects to humanity like empathy, so to simply dismiss the thoughts of other people as âimmaterialâ makes no sense whatsoever.
And considering the rhetoric we are talking about, itâs history, and its continued prevalence is pretty damn important.
As to your questions, I agree that the first two are pertinent here. But why do you think I care what others read? Have you seen me advocate for censorship here? I donât think I have.
Does the question about publication change with a near monopoly on who controls the airwaves, distribution channels, etc., though? Especially when in the case of the us, there is practically speaking, very little public airwaves that are not taken up by private, for profit corporations. CPB funded TV and Radio is an except, but it has all sorts of government pressure put on it to âmoderateâ itâs tone, because some people view it as too liberal.
Iâm aware that the Turner Diaries has a publisher. Do you really expect it to turn up in Barnes and Noble? However, it does appear to be available on Amazon. Both it and the Anarchists cookbook are easily found online, of course. I never said other wise.
If youâll note, Iâm not convinced, because I donât like banning books, nor do I think that it helps in our current environment. But looking at the evidence, we have gotten right wing movements in places that regularly ban books and those that do not. Neither seems to be a helpful strategy, IMO. My point was that we have historically made distinctions in what is protected speech and what is NOT protected speech. Plenty of ideas that we consider perfectly acceptable for public speech have been for all intents and purposes banned. And ignoring that we have much of our public space for public speech in the hands of for profit, private corporations isnât going to help us understand whatâs happening and what will be helpful in not having white supremacy become the law of the land publicly once again.
Also, I really wish youâd stop being so condescending here. Youâre willfully refusing to engage in a conversation as opposed to just dismissing the rest of us because you disagree.
I care that my students read their assignments! Other wise, why should I care if someone reads the Turner Diaries or Mein Kampf? I donât think I called for their banning, but clearly, whatever I say is not going to be actually listened to here.
The translations really do tend to be a crime against language. Read in the original with the owner/operator manual.
@ChuckV @Gyrofrog watching either of those two movies in the present day is an extremely different experience than in their respective times. We can have the circumstances explained to us but canât recapture the original experience. That plus weâve now got so many people telling us about them that its hard to get even close to a clear viewing of either without pre-bias.
Sure does! It makes it much, much harder for the average joe six-pack to identify who the Nazis are.
Sort of like the anti-paedophile-speech laws. Only the FBI can tell who the pedos are, which kind of gives them the ability to string anyone up as a pedoâŚ
Incidentally, books such as Mein Kampf are available in Australia and most other places with hate-speech laws.
If you published a new book of similar theme, or broadcast your opinion that the original was a good and sensible thing, then you might get in some minor, mostly symbolic legal trouble. Just owning or selling the book as a historically significant piece of literature draws no legal attention at all.
The penalties attached to anti-vilification laws are generally designed to be weak on purpose. Itâs a precaution against possible future misuse of such laws.
wouldnât you imagine that griffithâs âintoleranceâ would be a better movie to demonstrate cutting edge work from the era without the heavy social and emotional freight âbirth of a nationâ has had since its brith?
I argued the exact same with one of my film professors. Intolerance contains all of the advances (and more) of Birth of a Nation and none of the baggage, but Birth gets all the press, so thatâs the one she showed clips of in class.
Thanks for the info on Australia. Itâs good to know how things are working in different places.
The worst part of all of this is that many people just take serial liars at the words; be it Trump, Gab, Spencer, etc. These are people well known for their voracious and continuous lying that is well documented and irrefutable - but many just accept that they tell the truth up front. Itâs not like these figures have clean records when the massive stories come to their defense, it always assumes innocence first and foremost on careers based on misleading manipulation and falsehoods.
I had this at home and figured Iâd scan and upload it one night, now a whole month went by, sheeshâŚ
(Hoping that itâs OK that I do this)
Try as I might I couldnât read the text there.
Maybe try downloading it? (Iâm not sure if the upload was reduced once it hit the BBS, though)
Since Iâm sure all the free speech advocates would want to know when stuffâs going down.
And to forestall the expected disingenuous argument that âI thought you private groups didnât countâ, do keep in mind that not everybody is too stupid to recognize Trumpâs involvement here.
The fact is that Trump is getting around the legalities of speech by leaning on them via social media which has induced this action. BTW, the NFL Commissioner is actually trying to have it both ways by inducing all players to stand and to fund social activism per the players choosing apparently. I think the comissioner wants to make Trump look like a tool by giving him partly what he wants but making the point moot when the players can fund activism that effectively nullifies his assertions. Because howâs Prez Cheeto going to say NFL players and the NFL as a private organization canât fund BLM related NGOs and other efforts? Itâll be funny day to see if this maneuver sticks. I doubt it will since why would the NFL team owners put money on the table for actual efforts when kneeling gives them all the PR they want and then some with only making Prez Cheeto scream like a baby.
