So here you have linked to a list of 200 hate crimes which allegedly have been faked. This list includes incidents as recent as this year and from first glance at least as far back as 1986.
Do you understand that this pales in comparison to the sheer volume of genuine hate crimes committed each year?
Let’s round down to say 5,000 hate crime incidents occuring each year in the U.S. 28 years multiplied by 5,000 incidents. That means that conservatively 140,000 hate crimes occurred during that time, of which 200 maybe are known to be false.
That means that 0.001% of hate crimes are likely fraudulent.
Given these numbers I would say one cannot seriously justify the time and energy your are investing into considering fraud. It’s just so very unlikely, and still does not change the overall validity of most claims of sexual harassment.
Let me remind you that in an [earlier comment in this very thread][1] you said that some people do fake crimes against themselves. Admittedly that’s an implication, and you could argue that merely implying that Wu is a liar isn’t really taking a side. You could even argue that it’s too subtle to be considered to be making a claim. But then you add,
Try paragraph breaks. It makes your comments much more readable.
Unfortunately for you, that would make it just that much more obvious what odious stupidity your comments contain. But, anyone can edit for formatting, only you can prevent forest fires edit for meaning.
If, hypothetically a cross burnt on the front lawn of black family turned out to have been put there by that family to gain sympathy, would I re-examine my attitudes towards the KKK? The fuck I would, since it doesn’t change what the KKK does. We know for an incontrovertible fact that gamertaint are sending large volumes of rape and death threats to numerous people and organizing harassment campaigns; what someone else does has no impact on the fact that gamertaint are demonstrably monsters.
So you can fuck right off with this “hypothetical” that exists merely to cast doubt on the reality of a woman being harassed by gamertaint and their ilk.
If you can receive a barrage of real threats mere moments after claiming a real or fake threat, I’m not sure there needs to be a discussion of what if scenarios.
Yeah, it’s bad. These are definitely criminal threats. I’d like to see some damn jail time for the would-be terrorists of gamertaint. Or, failing that, someone could find out who they are, go round to their houses and smack them in the head with a small hammer. Hypothetically.
While 4Chan may be a cesspool of many things I would venture to say they would not be pleased with this. At best it would divided their attention and cause infighting and he would simply be abandoned and at worse they would turn and consume him as well.
I don’t agree with many of the things 4Chan or Anonymous promotes, but in some ways I can understand their ideology - I was once that 16-21 year old geeky boy/man who was rejected and ignored by society.
I make no implication, sir, though others may read implications into a simple statement of fact.
And, apparently freak out over the implications they have conjured up and suspend my account for their own fevered imaginations.
As someone with no dog in the fight, I’ve watched how quick people have been to go from 0 to 11 in righteous fury (and now I’ve apparently been on the receiving end of it by some quick handed, quick tempered moderator) when someone points out a villain. And I pointed out “Hey, you guys know that as soon as people see the power behind this accusation it is only a matter of time before someone screams “villain” just to provoke the response, right? Tell me you’re evaluating this on some more significant level than “my team/villain”…” I did not expect that the comment itself would prove the power of the “VILLAIN, burn him!” fury behind this. Is it addictive?
Well, fine. I leave y’all to your pitchforks and torches. I wish you better luck identifying the monsters than you did this afternoon.
Just going to say, that when I read those quotes from Sarkeesian I thought, “Really?” and in the very post I first read about them there was someone unironically posting something to the effect of: “People believe women, this woman is such a liar.” The urge to not believe what a woman says is very strong in some, it would seem.
But more to the point, what if we found out that @C11 was actually the person who sent the threat to Brianna Wu? I’m not saying @C11did that, but what if@C11 did that?
Should I add an “It’s curious that up to this point @C11 hasn’t denied doing that?” or is that a step too far?
That’s not what you said at all, you cast aspersions on these threats in particular in the same way I just cast aspersions on you above. We are posting about something on a message board, none of us have pitchforks or torches in our hand.
You want an answer to your original hypothetical? I’d say that the person who created fake threats against themselves to get attention did a terrible thing, and that the most terrible thing they did was harm the credibility of people who had real threats against them. I would not use it as an excuse to start ignoring people who had threats against them, or jump to some sort of “If one person did it then everyone is doing it” conclusion. Also, you’ll note that all we are doing is showing support for a person who has been harmed - no one has been accused of this crime and we are not suggesting a lynching. Rushing to judgement and punishment on scant evidence is dangerous, offering support when someone might be lying is… human?
Guess what, everyone posting here knows that sometimes people lie.
I hate to say this, but I highly doubt that will happen. With most “movements” there is simply no definitive end, but a shifting of the consensus toward those ideas. So she and many others will continue the fight and as new gamers (young, old, male and female) enter and established gamers leave the group mentality will change. Yes some players will reevaluate their position and views, but that’s not something most people are comfortable or capable of doing. If it was, things like gamergate probably wouldn’t exist.
I saw no “statement of fact” in what was being said, but rather a “hypothetical” suggestion that Wu is lying. You then dispensed with the hypothetical and went right to an accusation, saying, “Feel free to ignore or berate me now, but don’t say I didn’t caution about it later.”
As for whether my alleged fury is “addictive”, most of the time I don’t waste my time on trolls. You really should direct that comment at everyone who decided to criticize your “hypothetical” argument and accusations.
I can’t speak for others, but I can say that, in my own case, I don’t consider you a villain, but rather someone who’s attempting to aid and abet villains by casting unreasonable doubt on victims. And clearly your desire to cast doubt on victims is the dog you have in this fight.
Well, that is what happened, and 4Chan didn’t seem to care - it didn’t even stop them from continuing to harass Quinn. (Whose ex made the unsubstantiated, and, as a bit of research would have shown, false smears against her.) People were just looking for an excuse to attack female game developers/journalists. That it was started by a lie was irrelevant to them.
The only only way I can see to “have no dog in this fight” would be to feel more or less alright with men sending, and women receiving, horrifying rape and death threats, but at the same time more or less alright with it stopping and the perps being arrested. You know, like, we could order Chinese, or pizza tonight - all the same to me.
I never suggested that Wu is lying. Rather, everyone else accused me of that. Step out of the mob, read what I wrote, and think for your own self for a second. It wouldn’t even make sense if I was suggesting Wu was lying to get attention because she saw how much attention Wu got for being “driven” from her home. Unless you think I’m also implying the existence of a time machine in this conflict somewhere. Or… run around with the herd screaming I’m a villain. I’m going afk.
