She was a pretty, young white girl (beautiful = good and virtuous to many/most people) who was portrayed as a victim in the first season, so people made excuses for her bad behaviour. And she was a POV character, so people assumed that she was a protagonist, because with exceptions like Hannibal and Breaking Bad, “bad guys” are rarely shown as POV characters. A sneaky move and a long con.
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More to the point: how many people will subscribe to HBO once the spin-offs come along…
I couldn’t get past the writers making her a monster/tyrant at all. That was Cersei’s role, and it seemed weird that they’d both go down the same path, until I read this:
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Can I just say, the big fake out we got from the finale was that one hot moment where we thought that Westeros was going to become a Democracy?
I was so sure there was going to be a crazy twist, that I just could not help but drop my jaw when Sam suggested it, and then chortle when he got laughed at.
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Villains aren’t born, they’re made. Both she and Cersei were survivors, who went through hell to reach positions of respect and power. The ending was predictable, because of reasons better covered in the article I posted earlier.
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Let me answer that question with another question: was he played by Sean Bean?
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(I kid, I kid.)
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Viz. Bohemia, a theoretically elective monarchy until the electorate had the temerity to elect a king who wasn’t a Hapsburg (Frederick the “Winter King”), triggering an invasion, the imposition of a Hapsburg monarch, the abolition of the elective monarchy in favour of a hereditary one, and the Thirty Years’ War.
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While I haven’t watched the series, I have kept up with the major plot points. It sounds to me as though it was predicted / predictable.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/brienne-game-of-thrones-bran-gwendoline-christie_n_5ce229ede4b00e035b92e1f7
I kept waiting for them to get to the part where they all looked at each other and went “shit, winter’s here and the kingdom is destroyed, we’re all going to starve.”
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Jon got burned by the fire when the wright attacked Castle Black, he’s not fireproof. The impression I had is that Dany’s firewalking was a one-off miracle related to birthing the dragons.
As I see it they might be better off. As long as the food stores weren’t burned up there are a lot fewer mouths to feed now.
If this is the case the writers forgot about it for most of the series. On a macro scale I think having her be a villain totally works, but having her basically flip the switch to “evil” when Kings Landing rings the bells didn’t work at all. She’s spent way too long talking about preventing innocent deaths and freeing slaves to go “Welp, they don’t love me enough, fear it is, I guess I torch the capital.”
On the plus side the Dothraki were probably having real fun for the first time since setting foot on the continent. Pillaging cities and raping the women is what they signed up for.
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Yeah that was a really huge deus ex rectum right out of the gate. They were all wiped out and suddenly they are back on the playing board. How convenient.
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I took the implication to be that Jon basically becomes the “King Beyond the Wall”.
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I’m just cheap: I’m not going to pay extra for any online or cable TV network when there’s plenty of free content out there to watch on youtube. Plus, paying for it means I will think “I better get my money’s worth out of this” and so I’ll watch too much TV.
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I want to see that!
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I liked that post you linked. And I concur that the path Cersei was led down made sense for her to end up how she did. But that piece illustrates some of the problems with Dany’s evolution. And expressly points out that her ultimate ending is really just because “the plot says so”. Dany going mad queen isn’t the issue, it’s more the leaps and bounds it took to get there.
Everyone has their opinion as to what was bad or wrong about these last two seasons and how character story arcs and plot lines should have led. But ultimately I think we all agree on one simple thing…it was rushed and forced. Bad writing. Bad directing. Bad producing.
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Nothing abrupt or bad about the writing. It was good. It wasn’t what a lot of people wanted. Entitled fan base who didn’t get what they wanted or expected can continue to add salt to what was amazing… I don’t even care.
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yawn they were not all wiped out. You never had a god’s eye view. Everyone assumes they have a god’s eye view. You didn’t so you don’t know who survived and who was wiped out.
The problem is not necessarily that it’s a plot hole you can’t explain away; it’s that it was written in such a way you’re burning cycles wondering about something instead of focusing on the next thing coming at you. It’s confusing to the viewer, which is bad.
Your average GoT viewer probably said to themselves, “Wait, weren’t they all dead?”. I had a few of these, “Wait a sec…” moments in the final 2 episodes.
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