Gendered objectification

People ​tend to ​do a double take when they see me with makeup on; that’s how little I wear it on my day-to-day.

“Ain’t nobody got time” for all that in the morning…

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I lurve me some make up!
And i’m sure some people would tell me that hot pink eyeshadow and red mascara is not “pretty” (and maybe not office appropriate) but I’ve don’t want to look “pretty” - I want to look otherworldly and vaguely threatening.
So basically just lots of eyeliner. :wink:

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It seems like the 100 had some male eye candy…

Ricky Whittle as Lincoln in the 100? He literally doesn’t speak for the first few episodes he’s in…

I have yet to see how they present his body in American Gods…

And Khal Drogo:

Seems to me in BOTH cases, we’re meant to see and understand these men through their relationship to the women. Both Lincoln and the Khal go through a process of being “de-exoticized” if that’s even a word. Neither can speak to the women, whose perceptions we’re meant to identify with (in 100, Octavia and in GoT Dany). The men start out as being exotic and other, and both become familiar and they change the nature of both women. And of course, we know what happens to both of them. Both are men of color and their “de-exoticizing” happens through the eyes of white women.

Thoughts?

Also, I’m usually not into big muscly guys, but DAMN! Same with Mike Colter, BTW.

And in Jessica Jones, he kind of goes from an unknown quantity to explained through his relationship to Jessica. I take it from the comic, they are a couple?

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Yeah! Don’t take my comment to mean “make-up is bad!” I’m just not good at it! [quote=“Missy_Pants, post:142, topic:100802”]
I want to look otherworldly and vaguely threatening.
So basically just lots of eyeliner. :wink:
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That used to be me when I used to go out to goth clubs. I was not good at it then, either! But it was fun.

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Ricky got big!

And holy crap is it ever evident this is Bryan Fuller show. The colour pallette, the camera work, the buckets of fake blood… LOL

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I love makeup afficionados (see? I’m one removed). I think it’s a very interesting subject, both in glamour and special effects. As a kid, I loved watching my mom apply makeup and nail polish. As an adult, I love watching any expert who’ll let me.

And yes, I do receive the "men don’t know jack about makeup " line all the time.

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In the comics, they start out as a one night stand but she gets pregnant. They end up as a couple and their kid also has super powers.

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Thanks! I should pick up the graphic novels at some point. I love both shows.

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The funny thing with that though, is I’m sure it’s true. Most people would like a “nice” partner. But… the fact that “women” aren’t nice isn’t a moral or personal failing of the women, its a by-product of our society. So if people, men, want “nice” women, then they should do something so that women can afford to be nice.

Health care would be nice, fundamental human rights is also nice, abolishing the gender pay gap would be super nice!

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[quote=“orenwolf, post:136, topic:100802, full:true”]
can’t even comprehend how much worse it is for my female family member. [/quote]

I think this right here is the first thing we as individuals can do about it! All too often I think men view the women in their family as family first and women second, which not only allows men to treat non-familiar women differently, but also allows them to bypass gender dynamics in their own homes.

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My stance is that once one person starts telling someone else that they’re self-objectifying, they’re asserting control over that person, which is the opposite of solving the problem, IMHO. In a very real sense one’s body isn’t only part of a person, it also belongs to that person, since a person belongs to their self. I simply reject anyone else’s claim to it. You could perhaps call this position body-sovereignty absolutism, and it’s one of the very few things I’m absolutist about. I might disagree or dislike how they do so, but I keep those opinions to myself.

Perfect way to say it. So how can one person tell someone else’s they’re self-objectifying without it being about removing their agency? Since we take it as a given that objectifying is bad, shaming is implied, which is therefore a lever to get them to stop doing whatever it is whoever is telling them it is referring to, even if it isn’t intended that way. Though it’s also difficult to see why one person would shame the behavior of another if not to attempt to alter their behavior.

I’d like to add that I think this is a relatively small part of the problem, and that the vast majority of assaults on agency in our society occur in the form of people objectifying other people, and most of that is objectification of women.

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In similar news, Fox News readers want this woman:

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I think it’s partly about what people see as your “normal” face and partly what’s expected of you in your career or geographic area.

When you generally wear little or no makeup, that’s the baseline people react to. But if you usually wear a bunch and you go to work barefaced one day, people are going to react. And vice versa if you go from nothing to a full face.

And of course some careers have … “professional” requirements for women that involve wearing makeup.

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I love make up too, it’s how I make a living.

One thing that I very much enjoy is the androgeny of some of the men I work with. For a variety of reasons, most of them are not constrained by the strict rules of straight masculinity. I enjoy seeing them adorn themselves in different ways. I’m not talking about the drag aesthetic, although that can be part of it. I also see subtle enhancements like mascara or contouring. I know that men are every bit as pleasing to look at as women, but that our culture discourages seeing men in the same way.

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And there was a time when most women wouldn’t go out without a bra or girdle, full makeup AND their hair done (or alternately, with their hair in curlers, but with a headscarf tied round their heads). At the very least, lipstick and powder would be worn to go out, if one was going on a quick errand where "no one " (translantion: any human with a passing acquaintance with one) would see one.

I used to care a LOT about wearing makeup. Now I only wear it on state occasions, lol, and when I sing in front of seniors, because they expect it, and I like to please my audience as much as possible. I watch a lot of old movies for ideas because many of these folks grew up watching Ruby Keeler or Eleanor Powell, et al.

One gent even thanked me once for wearing an ankie-length skirt; I don’t think, though, he was much over sixty, or sixty-five years old. Then, one gent remarked on me being a “long-stemmed beauty” over and over; I was wearing a knee-or-slightly-below-length skirt and 2-1/2 inch heels that time.

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Accurate, but perhaps not quite in the way you mean. There is no-frills diet advice out there to be found for free. It’s actually quite simple. The main wealth gap between fit physical condition and fundamentally unsustainable ripped-ness is time. Aspiring actors put in all their free time working, and much of that is at the gym. When they have prospects, working out becomes their second job, which they can afford because they’re being paid to do it. You can actually eat healthy bare necessities on a very tight budget. But as @LearnedCoward says, it’s not a particularly tasty diet.

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Same here, but it’s just too much extra prep work in the mornings when I have a tight time schedule.

I think the illusions that can be achieved with cosmetics are part of the reason I’m such a big fan of RuPaul’s Drag Race; some of those queens can really “beat a mug.”

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I’m sorry, I don’t think i understand this comment? Jilly was replying to my examples of different kinds of provocation. I don’t have breast implants, nor am I in a career women are discouraged from entering.

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