Give me blood, cash, or jail time, Alabama judge orders defendants

Did the Chief get promoted to judge?

Judges will ask if you can pay all at once or if you need to make payment arrangements. If you say you cannot pay all at once they’ll some quick questions. How much do you take home a week? How much is your this? How much is your that? And then they’ll make you pay over 3-4 months. This was offered to me as an option for a fine of “just” $200 which is a nice hefty fine IMHO and one that many people DO need to pay off in smaller chunks.

We freely discriminate on any number of bases. Certain types of discrimination are recognized as less than sane or rational, and so they are proscribed by law.

I would think we make forms of discrimination illegal because they are harmful and wrong, not because they are irrational.

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Full stop.

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Yes. alright. The important thing is that some forms of discrimination, are legal, sensible, and can be explained rationally. If I decline to hire an accountant because he’s black, that’s absurd, vindictive and wrong. If I decline to hire an accountant because he’s been convicted of fraud, that’s probably a wise decision.

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Yeah, I was going to say that he seems to have got his Merchant of Venice all back to front and inside out.

more like 1/4 to 1/3 of a pound. We’ll need both.

Is a community-service sentence tantamount to slavery?

That’s kind of the sticking point, for me. We can make this sound ghoulish and horrible, but we do have a strong and respected precedent for minor criminals being given the option of serving their community in an inconvenient but harmless way. And if you refuse your community service, you probably go to jail, right? I don’t see how this is much different.

(It’s probably a dumb idea anyway due to the potentially drug-tainted blood, but that’s a different issue than the human-rights angle.)

Is there any issue with self-incrimination? Like, you get turned down for blood donation, and the judge uses that info as a sign you really do use illegal drugs.

I agree in general. I would note that the last time I donated blood (Red Cross) they made me put a bar code sticker on the forms indicating either “Use my blood” or “Do not use my blood” and no one at the drive had any way of knowing which I indicated. No idea if that is universal. And of course, we can’t expect defendants under duress to realize or trust that choosing the latter would be ok.

Yeah, that’s the big issue. I trust the red cross (well, in some things) but when you are told you have to donate by a judge, suddenly it looks like an arm of the system that is punishing you. I imagine that the red cross would not actually like being complicit in this practice.

Strange. My local blood donation service gives me a instructions to call if I later develop symptoms and so on. But not an anonymized sticker at time of collection.

Which raises the additional…disquieting…consideration that, since the reputable players are more likely to get cold feet, the organizations operating blood drives outside known vampire-courts might(at least over time) skew toward the less reputable side of the business.

The wonderful people in the blood plasma business, say, wouldn’t bat an eye at this sort of thing; and they’d save the 50-60 bucks per visit that they’d otherwise have to pay the ‘donor’. Win/win!

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