That’s some yarn you’re spinning
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Did someone ask for the Questions thread to get re-opened?
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Hey! I have a question about a thing. A few days back, I had a post deleted from the comments on this BB post: Fictosexual man who married a hologram can no longer speak with wife, due to software glitch | Boing Boing
I got back-to-back messages about a response to my post and it being hidden due to being reported, before it was deleted some hours later. I’m basing my question here on the response, as I’m assuming it was made by the same person who reported it. They said something along the lines of “We don’t make assumptions about the mental states of others here”, linking to the community guidelines. Which would be all well and good, except for the part of my post that touched on such a topic being nothing more than a (far less detailed) paraphrasing of what was described in the original BB post. I.e., no assumptions made whatsoever, just a summary of what the article had already laid out as fact. This … doesn’t seem reasonable to me. I mean, sure, I can’t expect every mod to have read every BB post, and mistakes happen, but … yeah. Reiterating what is already said in the OP must be allowed, no?
I think you are looking for this topic:
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You are correct, your post was mis-moderated and has been restored. However, it was not a moderator who wrote the reply about our policy you note in question, but another user. As that reply is incorrect in this case, it has not been restored.
Our apologies for the confusion here.
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This topic is temporarily closed for at least 4 hours due to a large number of community flags.
This topic was automatically opened after 4 hours.
Does calling the person an “asshole” (not saying you’re wrong) somehow not violate the “mental health” warning in the CGs? At a minimum, you’re making an assumption, which is def up against the line.
No, it does not. Calling a person an asshole implies nothing about mental health. Like, at all. Merely that they are, you know, an asshole.
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Are you fucking serious right now?
Like, I’m sorry you want to be able to call people whatever you want and are sore that you can’t do it here. But this pathetic attempt at rules-lawyering and obvious ignoring of the reason the “don’t call everyone who is an asshole crazy” rule exists is because the very real people living with mental illness would very much like to not be lumped in with people who choose to take advantage of the fear of the masses to make a buck or line up their next lucrative career.
This pathetic attempt at driving trollies tells me you either need to re-read where you are posting and what the Authors and community of Boing Boing and the BBS care about, or go find somewhere else to try and stir up shit instead just because you can’t call people the names you want. Because that is the definition of asshole, and I am calling you one now.
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My rule of thumb…
If a person blatantly demonstrates how much of a soul-sucking, time-consuming, blatant asshole they are in the public arena outside of BoingBoing? Child abusers. Animal abusers. White supremacists. Vladimir Putin. Most of our world leaders. Feel free.
If a person has made me angry by pointing out flaws in my argument? That’s a personal attack, and also off-limits.
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Thinking or stating that someone is an asshole based upon how they behave isn’t ‘an assumption’ about someone’s mental health; it’s expressing an opinion.
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If you go back and look you’ll see that I stated that my original post was in the wrong, and that @DukeTrout 's comments on the matter were well taken. I think I was clear on that.
For the record, I was not the person that called the subject of the post an “asshole”. Further, I’ve been on BB for a long time. I’d think that my previous history here might actually stand for something in the way of credit.
This is clearly in violation of the community guidelines. That much is clear.
In any event, this whole thing is WAY off the rails at this point. After deleting my original post, admitting error, and stating (again) that @DukeTrout was correct, I then shifted to trying to figure out whether or not bullet points 1 and 2 in the CG’s apply to only internal commenters, or everyone globally, based on a comment made by, I think, @docosc (but honestly don’t remember at this point). That’s what I’m trying to find out, b/c it would clearly be a good thing to know going forward.
Again, I’m not a dude.
It’s not really that difficult.
Assumptions about mental health; global, insults; local.
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Merely being an asshole isn’t a disease like mental illness; it’s a conscious choice in behavior.
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There’s nothing wrong with calling the subject of the post an asshole. They are an asshole.
We don’t have “Tenure” here. People who contribute to the community are given more latitude than others in very limited circumstances, but that does not mean we check account creation dates when deciding to moderate here. Not to mention, somewhere here that long would know that “Christ, what an asshole” is elevated to true meme status here to begin with.
Here’s where your problem lies. You decided to make assumptions about mental illness. If you had realized you were in the wrong and decided to leave it at that, fine, no harm no foul. But you didn’t do that. You then went on a rant about how calling someone an asshole is, somehow, a mental health thing (which, BTW, is a great way to backdoor the idea that assholes are mentally unstable and essentially reverse the very intent of the “don’t associate mentally unstable folk with assholes” rule in the first place, which is novel enough I literally LOL’d when I read it). Then? You made the entire post about you, the fact that you were called out, and clearly couldn’t deal with that fact. The very opposite of “being cool”.
That’s my problem, and yes, I take it personally. I should have just banned you outright for making this post about you, derailing the topic and wasting the community and the moderators time because you didn’t like being called out, but I did decide instead to call you out here instead in light of how long you’ve been here, in the hopes that you’d realize two things:
1 - this place is a community. If you start actively fighting it by trying to trolley it with “But asshole is an assumption” bullshit, you are pissing in everyone’s cornflakes on purpose
and
2 -
Now, I accept your statement that the assumption about mental state was in error. If you are through with rules-lawyering-as-revenge, we’re good.
If you cannot do that, then we ask that you not post here again.
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Ok, so how is it that a brand new member with an obscene user name can make a post (which will probably be removed in minutes, but still…) using a terrible slur directed at gay people, but if I try to use the word t-r-0-l-l in a discussion that’s about literal, mythical t-r-0-l-l-s it can’t appear without a moderator approving it first? Seriously, what’s with the list of words that trigger automatic review?
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“Troll.”
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