Griping about moderation, bias, et cetera

[Quinquennial]

@Auld_Lang_Syne

Consensus is driven by the viewpoints in currency at the time. That’s a recipe for a positively glacial, if not plate tectonical rate of change. If we did it your way, we might be getting close to votes for white women right around now.

I’d say neutral journalism wasn’t doing its job if it didn’t present the views of the women fighting for suffrage in its best light.

[Auld_Lang_Syne]

@Quinquennial

I’d say neutral journalism wasn’t doing its job if it didn’t present the views of the women fighting for suffrage in its best light.

And i’d suspect that’s because you were raised in an era with wide-spread suffrage.

[smulder]

@tuhu

whether comments should be allowed to be a 10,000-long string of the letter N

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[LutherBlisset]

@orenwolf

A better question might be: why are all these dissenting opinions included in abusive, arrogant posts

Yes, and no.

This is a good question, and we all might have the answer because, at some point of our life, we wrote posts like this. Maybe in our teens. Later in our life, mayhaps in a situation where we were enraged to a heretofore unbeknownst level by this thing or some other things. Or when we just lost control for a moment. Sometimes, maybe, if we just could not bear it any more that the whole world had gone crazy and we were the only one to see.
Or just because we were assholes full of ourselves. Or for some other reason.

I would not trust anyone on this world never to have shitposted. Not even a zen buddhist.
From my own perspective, I can just say: good riddance that part of my message base is also lost to the world.

[Mindysan33]

[ficuswhisperer]

[zfirphdn]

Nice! How about some lower case ns too? Think what you could do for the lonely lower case n!

[smulder]

@zfirphdn

How about some lower case ns too?

That would obviously violate the guidelines. Why do you hate Boing Boing?

[tuhu]

I know how I’d debate you, but the Ns don’t justify the means.

[Quinquennial]

@Mindysan33

Not all consensus is good, though.

I never said it was. But it helps to know where people stand from their own viewpoint instead of the jaded one their opponents say they have, or the sensational narrative cable news say they have in order to get more eyeballs on their advertising.

Probably the best example of neutral journalism in the United States is NPR. I think they offer a matter-of-fact accounting of current events and I do think they try to be fair to most major viewpoints. It’s something of a lost art in most other news sources.

[navarro]

my policies for throwing a flag are similar to yours. i flag for flagrant violation of the guidelines, i flag for comments that are not just off-topic but almost achieve derangement levels of being off-topic and, further, are off-topic without any merit of interest or humor. i will also flag for obvious spam. it is possible that of the level 3 members i give more benefit of the doubt as to what needs flagging than anyone else because i, like the vast majority of the folks i know here, want to encourage robust debate and discussion.

even then, not all of my flags result in removal of what i consider an offending comment because the moderators and staff also try to foster a full and open discussion of issues ranging from the most important political, moral, or ethical issues of the day to trivia and minutiae relating to any one of a number of literary, cinematic, or musical works.

i treasure this forum because of the high standards of moderation and the incredible pool of knowledge i am treated to because enough people have enough faith in the systems in place at this forum to be able to share their ideas, their knowledge, their opinions, and their various senses of humors. my world would be a meaner place without it. and to all of you who have made this possible over the years–from the authors and staff, the moderators, the members who care enough to flag the stuff that doesn’t make the cut, to the members who share of themselves, to you i offer my deepest gratitude and appreciation. to you i offer the best i have of myself to offer.

[navarro]

@orenwolf

There is an invitation to PM me in on the guidelines page, and I routinely respond to comments, questions, or concerns about moderation.

i, for one, can testify to this. there have been numerous times i have sent a pm about comments and moderation. the consistency with which @orenwolf responds is only rivaled by the celerity with which he responds. i absolutely admire his fortitude and perseverance in his job here.

@Mindysan33

Not all consensus is good, though.

as a veteran teacher, well-versed in the ways of consensus, i would like to mention that sometimes “consensus” is a great way to get 30 people who all think “x” to get together and agree to “z” after 5 days of facilitated professional development.

edited to add the quote-reply to @Mindysan33 because the system believes i have made too many consecutive comments in this thread.

edited a second time for spelling and redundancy.

[docosc]

That is strangely hypnotic, actually. Also, I think I need more beer.

[smulder]

[Melizmatic]

@smulder

DEBATE ME

[navarro]

another variation–

[TornPaperNapkin]

@navarro

i, for one, can testify to this. there have been numerous times i have sent a pm about comments and moderation. the consistency with which @orenwolf responds is only rivaled by the celerity with which he responds. i absolutely admire his fortitude and perseverance in his job here.

Seconded. Honestly, the mods here are why I visit this site at all. I’m barely willing to deal with internet culture these days. Usually I try not to respond to an inciting post at all reminding myself I’ll regret it at some point, so I’m sitting there conflicted about whether this qualifies for a flag or whether I’m just irritable, and while I’m pondering the flag the thing goes gray. Just having that system functioning is great because it allows me to go “oh yeah, there are a bunch of people here responding to things… I don’t have to unless I really want to…”

Typically at this point, I do not flag unless it’s an obvious and utter shitpost from a suspicious account because I figure “eh… they’ll figure it out.” Posts like the beekeeper arguments are annoying only because it’s like watching two friends of yours meet each other at a party for the first time and rub each other exactly the wrong way.

So, yay for flagging and active moderation. As for any posts of mine that have been flagged or removed… pffft… if it annoys that many people maybe I shouldn’t have said it, should have said it better, or should have waited for a better opportunity.

[gracchus]

@navarro

another variation–

I assume part of the joke is that they don’t understand the real definition of Identitarian.

The stubborn lack of self-awareness and puzzlement they have over why people might react negatively to their behaviour and their “unpopular” opinions is comedy gold.

@TornPaperNapkin

So, yay for flagging and active moderation.

And for the new Ignore function, which this topic has inspired me to put to its rare use.

[KathyPartdeux]

@AndreStmaur

I have no way to really know, but my feeling is that boingboing is somewhat a victim of what is called the “outrage economy”, which plays on several social and news networks. The consequence of re-publishing articles which are intentionally written to stir people’s emotions is that comments will become more heated. That, in turn, increases the stress on moderation.

Indeed. The more reasonable approach is to publish articles that don’t resonate with one’s intended audience.

[FlyerJack]

I’m not agreeing with him, but there are other choices besides “intentionally written to stir people’s emotions” and “articles that don’t resonate.”