Gun YouTuber who almost killed himself explains how it wasn't his fault

Who could have known that an old, illegal, “hot” round, of unknown provenance, designed to penetrate engine blocks, would not perform up to expected specifications?

Also, when I did google search for “SLAP round” all the hits mentioned how firing such a round with the wrong muzzle break is dangerous as it is. (Did this gentleman have the correct muzzle break?)

Plus, the injury he did receive was nothing short of miraculous: all the energy was dispersed by hitting his safety glasses (and breaking his orbital bones). If it had impacted differently, by less than an inch, it would have been the captive bolt stunner scene from No Country For Old Men. But again, who could have known?

(Love to know this gentleman’s healthcare plan; he racked up $250k easy.)

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The shotgun range I go to occasionally has a wall full of pics of folks with huge holes in their feet due to a (very stupid) habit of resting the gun on top of the foot when at rest. The idiocy is amazing, especially when you are theoretically instructed to have 1 shell in the chamber at a time, just before assuming the position, and firing. There should never be a loaded gun not on the firing line. And yet…
Idiots gonna idiot.

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That is the cheapest looking action I have ever seen on a .50… absolutely no way I would want to be around one of those. It’s a pipe bomb with a muzzle FFS!

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The bit from 12 seconds to 20 seconds might as well have been a quantum physics equation as far as I was concerned. I’m glad not to live in a society where the average Joe having this sort of knowledge does not raise eyebrows.

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Apparently the new argument is “Guns do kill people. Sometimes.”

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The TLDW version: it was indeed his fault.
EDIT: I see I was beaten to the punch. :slight_smile:

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I skipped ahead to the exact spot before he says “now for the lacerated jugular…”.

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As a Not-American, my first thought is, “What’s the medical bill going to be?”; my second thought it, “How does he know that God didn’t make the gun explode?”

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And if you don’t…

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It wasn’t the “wrong” ammunition per se. It was older ammunition that may or may not have been authentic. (more below)


I was wondering if this would make BB. When it happened 5 months ago, it certainly was the “holy shit, did you see this?” video in some circles. It has been 5 months since I watched the whole thing, but I will try to explain what happened.

First off - I get it - lots you don’t like guns. That’s fine. But this guy really didn’t do anything wrong that I can see. He wasn’t shooting unsafely and there wasn’t any reason for him to think his gun would fail catastrophically. The “Hurr durr, ammosexuals.” is funny only because he was able to plug his jugular with his thumb, his dad got him to the hospital, and they were able to life flight him to a trauma center.

Anyway - so, what happened?

He was using a Serbu RN-50. This is a singe shot .50cal rifle that has a breech cap that screws on. You tilt the barrel, insert the round, screw the cap on, and then snap the breech/barrel into the receiver which has two ears of steel braced up against the plug. It is a beefy design that has been around for awhile. It is considered a much more affordable option than the much more popular Barrett offerings and allows one to do long range shooting on a budget, or not so long range shooting in this case.

The round he was using were SLAP rounds. These are weird in that the projectile isn’t the typical lead or steel jacketed in copper. They use a polymer sabot to hold an undersized tungsten penetrator. They were made in the 90s and used for shooting at light armor. (For anyone concerned about the fire hydrant, AP rounds like that will cut through soft steel like a knife through butter.) So this ammo was made I believe in 2007, which isn’t too old. These are traded among collectors, they fetch a high enough price that it isn’t unheard of people making replicas of them. Or possibly assembling them from parts. You are supposed to avoid some muzzle brakes that aren’t made for SLAP rounds, but if that was the issue, it would have tumbled at some point and blown off/smacked into the muzzle brake.

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So something happened to cause a catastrophic failure. The pressures had to be so great because all of the threads were just sheared off of the cap, and the two steel ears ripped off the receiver. What can cause such a problem? Well, usually it is a problem with the ammo. While it would be rare for military ammo to have the wrong charge of powder, it can happen. If it turns out this was a replica or someone who had assembled one themselves, they could have use the wrong powder or wrong charge. There was a case head separation where the back of the round splits off.

Barrel obstructions can also cause a catastrophic failure, but I don’t think from watching the video that was the issue. Squibs, where a too light of a powder charge failed shoot the bullet completely out of the barrel is a common cause of obstructions. The previous round went down range, so it should have been clear. And typically the damage happens at the point where the barrel was obstructed. Those cartoons where a gun splits into 4 pieces is from hunters plugging the tip of their rifle with mud at some point and not realizing it.

So - after this happened, pretty much anyone with a gun and a camera made a youtube video about it. Some fault the ammo, some fault the gun design, but it has been inconclusive so far. There were a lot of opinions and not all of them very informed.

Mark Serbu, who designed the gun, did two videos after it happened explaining the engineering behind the gun. He screwed up and told Scott in the video a wrong pressure rating for the threaded cap, for one. Later he got the destroyed rifle and gave it a once over. He hasn’t yet released a new video explaining what he thinks happened. I don’t know if we will ever know conclusively what happened, but if one is curious, these videos aren’t that long and explains the design of the gun and what it should be able to handle. Of course there are 1001 other youtubers chiming in, so take it with a grain of salt.

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That’s what I am thinking as well- either a round was overcharged, or the casing blew out.

Some of the old military surplus rifles (like the Mosin Nagant) don’t like ammunition with modern softer primers in them; I had an issue with commercially loaded ammunition giving me primer strike-through which is a worrisome thing. the only solution to that is to use different ammo, in my case it was to switch to mil-surp ammo. (which has it’s own issues.)

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Cold war surplus ammo is just scary no matter what. 50 years of stockpiles for a war that never happened makes it super cheap. But lots of this stuff has been sitting in wax paper for over 70 years. Spend the money buy modern. It’s not like he didn’t spend a couple grand on the rifle.

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Scott (the youtuber) is healed up and healthy now. The rifle he was using is about as rugged a piece of tech as can be built and Mark Serbu, the guy that designed it, has it now and is trying to figure out exactly what the failure point was.

BB (and its readers) tend to be very knowledgeable about technology except for firearms because they are ‘evil’. If you don’t try to understand them and how they work, you are acting with insufficient information when you make any sort of judgement.

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@tyroney posted a video where an apparent expert in this shit points out that it’s a known thing that that particular kind of round is dangerous to shoot in a rifle with a muzzle break. And explains why.

But an even more fundamental thing is a screw cap is not a strong way to close a fire arm. The guy was experimenting with ammunition he was unfamiliar with, and he was using a fire arm with a weaker action. I don’t know much about the big boom end of target shooting, but I do know that the guns preferred are usually significantly over engineered. A a screw cap and a couple of non-load bearing lobes is not that.

He was using the wrong rifle to do something he wasn’t knowledgeable enough to do safely. And it nearly killed him.

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Scott has used this type of ammunition in this rifle and others chambered in this caliber many times before. Screw fit breeches are extremely strong, artillery generally use a variation of it for example. The Serbu is a break action, kind of. It uses a threaded breech cap which is removed when the barrel is tipped, then rethreaded on and the barrel locked into place. Immediately behind that cap when it is in the locked position are two ‘ears’ these are 1/4" thick nitrided alloy steel the same as the cap (and the breech of a military .50 caliber M2 machinegun) and act like wheel chocks in case the cap does fail. The blast was about as powerful as one I saw in Somalia when an M2 machinegun detonated (which also turned the firearm’s breech into metal confetti) while using standard blacktip Armor Piercing ammunition. That was caused by a bad lot of ammo which is what this accident looks like as well.

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That ammunition was manufactured in 2007 according to the headstamp.

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None of my hobbies can kill anyone so you can keep your superior attitude to yourself, sunshine.

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I don’t own personal firearms, I never have, but I was a soldier for over a decade and I do understand them.

So? Did they teach you that talking down to everybody isn’t the way to make friends?

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