Actually, I am entirely in favor of black people carrying guns (with carry permits) to protect themselves from the police.
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So now I am beholden to the range and what ever crazy mark up they put on it.
Thanks.
And for long range competitors, nearly ALL of them do custom hand loading, measuring things in thousandths of ounces. Most high volume shooters reload their own too as it is much, much cheaper.
They still do those programs. Probably more than any other entity. Their network of instructors is the largest there is.
Though I agree I have face palmed some of their comments, like one of the recent deflections to violent video games.
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I am about to get a ride from a person not with a lead foot, but like a uranium foot. Can I just get one mandated for her? 
The mental illness angle is a red herring, unless youâre proposing that everyone has to have forced evaluations to attempt to detect previously undiagnosed mental illness and that such evaluations would be perfect in their rate of detection.
âDatabases that track gun homicides, such as the National Center for Health Statistics, similarly show that fewer than 5% of the 120,000 gun-related killings in the United States between 2001 and 2010 were perpetrated by people diagnosed with mental illness.â
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Well, on reflection, I probably would have taken the âI would beâ off the end of that post, but for sure Iâm not going to take the cowardâs way out by editing it.
The point Iâm trying to make is that we canât reduce gun deaths significantly because we donât want to let the cops and courts do everything thatâs possible, within existing law, to get guns away from criminals.
OK, by deciding that, weâve also decided weâll accept those 10-15,000 deaths a year (including the little kids accidentally killed in drive-bys).
But then âweâ turn around and want to add a whole other basket of laws and regulations, mostly enforced on the law abiding, in order to (we hope) eliminate the <50 kids killed accidentally by a gun at home.
Smacks of cognitive dissonance to me.
Another thing to hate the Conservatives for? Only the 1968 and 2006 acts (Labour) and the 1920 act (coalition with Conservative majority) werenât introduced by them
Well, my point of view is much like yours and @anon50609448âs, but I donât have the patience to promote it seriously, so I fall back on satire. Thereâs always plenty to poke fun at in these kinds of discussion.
I will always have weapons, and my children will always have weapons. They are easy to make; I can find everything I need to build a gun at the shopping center up the road, or in my barn. Because I am privileged, and thus my children are privileged, we simply cannot be disarmed without resort to lobotomy. I, like many Americans, could build a small nuclear bomb if I really wanted to. I donât want to, because I have a home and a job and a moral compass.
Involuntary disarmament is something that the rich inflict on the poor. The rich and privileged can voluntarily disarm, because our taxes pay for a bunch of heavily armed, murderous thugs who act to sustain the privileges of the rich.
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Exactly. Make the ownership and use of guns too expensive to make it fun or worth while. When there are fewer people who can afford to be gun enthusiasts, the interest will wane and the culture will slowly change. Old men can rant to their grandchildren on [insert future communication tool] about how back in their day everyone carried a gun and America was the land of the free instead of this pussified country where very few shooting deaths occur.
I like guns myself. I used to do some skeet shooting with my youth group in high school. That said, I prefer being able to blow shit up in FPS video games and it doesnât present a danger to anyone.
Thanks good to know that those programs still exist. Iâm a little out of that world as I donât get a chance to shoot often (my guns live with my dad in Arizona, and Iâm on the East Coast) and my family that hunts is all elsewhere as well. At this point, I support them in spirit, and as much as I can, at the ballot box and soapbox.
And if Iâm not aware of any of it, the average urban person whoâs never touched a gun is really going to have no clue. Itâs a disservice that nobody mentions it.
And thatâs back to my original point of stating that statistically, dying in a mass shooting (some of which are done by actual crazy people) is less likely than many, many, many more common deaths. I agree that it can be a red herring, often brought up by the same people I want to support, but who make me facepalm, but it is one of the many, many, many complex issues going on here.
Toddlers shooting people accidentally is easily preventable, making it even more sad. Mass shootings, gang violence, etc. are much more complex, and while guns are a factor, not the only one, and painting any of it with a broad brush of just one cause does a disservice to the entire discussion.
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But if the gun wasnât there in the first place, it couldnât be stolen.
So basically we make it like machine guns, and make it so only rich white dudes can afford them?
Awesome. Jim Crow would love you. Youâre basically setting up a system that insures poor minorities canât be included - who arguably need guns for defense more than I ever will. I am sure you are not trying to be classist or racist - but your suggestion is just that.
IMHO - we have made guns such a taboo that proper education has been frowned upon. I know @Medievalist has suggested we should bring back some of the old past programs both because 1) education promotes safety and 2) familiarly removes taboo and desire. It reminds me of the OLD sex ed methods that didnât work. You know where we basically told kids âsex exists, donât do it, here is what happens to your naughty bits with gonorrhea.â
You are correct. But I donât want to live in a world where I am controlled because of what others might do.
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You already do, you just donât know it.
No, because Iâm suggesting bullet control as well, so the rich old white dudes wouldnât be able to shoot except at designated ranges and canât take their bullets home with them. If eventually no one has guns, even the cops, thereâs no racist or classist basis for that proposal.
And this is a long, gradual strategy. Iâm not talking about taking guns from all gun owners immediately. Iâm suggesting a decade or more of a slow reduction on manufacturing and sales and restricting new bullet purchases to ranges and such.
Rather unclear, but his mother seems to have been a paranoid nut, like the mother of the Oregon community college shooter. In both cases, the son seems to have been spoiled and in a state of âpsychotic fusionâ with the disturbed mother. Everyone likes to make fun of Freud, but for him this would be one of those âI told you soâ moments.
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Thatâs another strategy that is so politically unrealistic as to amount to a political ratfuck of any practical proposals.
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Why am I arguing with you? 20 dead children, and that only upped the sale of guns. Itâs obvious the gun industry, and gun nuts like you, are happy with slaughters like Newtown. Theyâre actually good for business.
Iâve got an idea that can piggy-back off that: Every time we have another Newtown, then all the gun shops in the country can offer a discount, if the customer just says the right word. âNewtownâ wonât work. Itâs too far in the past and no one cares anymore. What was the last one? Tough to keep track of them. Anyway, go to Dickâs Sporting Goods and just say âUmpquaâ and get 20% off your next gun.
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⌠and yet more of what is essentially the political ratfucking of gun control.
You canât fool us Wayne LaPierre, we know thatâs you!
Preston is far from a gun nut. It upped gun sales because people act like nervous scared animals. People talk about bans and they panic.
Newtown was a horrible cluster fuck tragedy. That kid was messed up on many levels. The one person close enough to see he needed real help not only managed to not get him help, but enabled in him. And really - what could she do? We donât have the hospitals for the sick like that or the system to support them at this point. Not that the old school insane asylums were good places, but we need an option between jail and running around.
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The eloquence with which you soundly delivered such a convincing refutation of my proposal, accompanied as it was with such a thorough and thoroughly researched litany of evidence to support your position, has completely changed my mind on the subject. I retract all my protests!
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