Probably because EvoPsych isn’t hard science, existing to confirm preexisting social conservative narratives. Evolutionary Biology is valuable. EvoPsych is a bunch of just-so stories that found themselves in academia along Parapsychology, grasping for relevancy but finding plenty of media attention along the way.
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You made an assertion about why “boobs” are here. Science has provided an array of explanations that differ from yours. I don’t know where your explanation comes from, but I don’t think it’s science. Philosophy, ethics, morality, religion… all valid sources for your position, but those are not science.
I strongly encourage you to refrain from putting words in peoples’ mouths. No one here is “defending objectification of women” (well maybe that one guy). Accusing me of that is baseless, factually in error, and repugnant.
If you want to improve the state of things on this or any other topic, or even have a reasonable discussion about it, isn’t peer-reviewed, published research that’s directly on the subject relevant?
As the saying goes: You’re entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. If there is reliable information out there that runs counter to your position, your position is strengthened by acknowledging that information and presenting a reasoned counter argument. I encourage you to give it a try.
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You’re entitled to your own opinions but halfassed social science isn’t biology, it is hardly fact no matter how much it validates your preexisting narrative.
Your wanting to believe makes it no more real.
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Wait. Which scientific articles were from the half-assed science?
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Are you here to offer anything but post-hoc rationalizations? Do you expect them to be particularly insightful?
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Can you explain what I said that was a post-hoc rationalization?
Also: Are you saying evolutionary biology is not a valid field of science? Better let Harvard know.
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Do I have to peer review your ass? Keep it civil.
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Curves is all kinda fucked up, depending on the franchise holder and how closely they cleave to the vision of Curves founders that sold them it.
I’m sure there’s nice people in Waco, because I’ve met them. But when you have to go to Waco to get trained to run a franchise I hope some alarm bells go off. No one should ever have to go to Waco.
Now, my view is many years old, as I’ve heard it now since the founders are sidelined there is far less spiritual chicanery with Curves, they all about cheddar now and have scrubbed the heavy handed Christian stuff out of the fabric, but Curves of old was yecchy.
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The “No mirrors” thing is all well and good if the place is 100% cardio and machines, but there’s actually a legit reason to have large mirrors in a gym.
It’s so that you can see your lifting technique on freeweights so that you don’t screw up your back and shoulders. I’ve done freeweight lifting both with and without mirrors. I hurt myself every single time, if I can’t see my positioning and posture.
Curves may not have freeweights. If so, good for them without the mirrors. If they do have freeweights, then they really need mirrors so that people don’t hurt themselves.
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Sure… because all human boobs are naturally “big”, and that means they automatically must be for some additional purpose other than nursing.
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You appear to be confusing EvoPsych for Biology.
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I did the old reverse image search on that one because while i knew the answer was probably stock art of woman measuring breasts I still think “do they really make stock art for…” more than I should.
Among the odd and interesting things are that results seemed to alternate - stock art and that art used on breast augmentation pages. Google has decided the best match to title it is “Woman with smallest breast” and to be fair while small I really doubt they are the “smallest” and she does appear to have a second breast so breasts rather than breast would make more sense. And finally on the similar images:
this contraption came up first.
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Interesting… especially the part about any kind of breast pump ever being “stylish.”
*lolz
And yes, stock footage still exists… but my own query was entitled “Itty Bitty Titty Committee.”
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I had a feeling I was missing something in this “conversation”, so I Googled up on EvoPsych. I have zero interest in you making me the poster person for “EvoPsych douchebaggery”. For anyone who hasn’t heard of that – I certainly hadn’t – try this hair-on-fire i09 post (The rise of the evolutionary psychology douchebag), which includes a lengthy comment thread that is orders of magnitude more informative, interesting, thought-stimulating and respectful than the one here.
Be that aspect of evolutionary psychology as it may, what good can come from your throw-the-baby-out-with-the-bathwater dismissal of an entire vector of scientific inquiry over the transgressions of a few? If I have understood correctly, its lineage goes back directly to Darwin himself, but its identity as a separate field is fairly recent. Just kill it off, you think? I’ll give these plonkers a heads-up (Harvard Evolutionary Psychology Laboratory).
I also understand being anti-EvoPsych or anti-whatever. Isn’t it fun to run around happy-slapping people who don’t know every branching tunnel of your rabbit hole? Way more fun than actually discussing or explaining. May I suggest you take your mad skillz with dog-whistles, coded words, witch hunting, etc., and report to Trump campaign HQ, their need is great.
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Hmm… Furnham and Swami (Perceptions of female buttocks and breast size in profile. Social Behavior and Personality. 2007;35:1–8. doi: 10.2224/sbp.2007.35.1.1) showed that attractiveness ratings were even more strongly influenced by breast size than by buttock size, but YMMV.
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From what looks like he’s referencing: http://www.femininebeauty.info/f/furnham.swami.profile.pdf
A total of 114 British undergraduates rated 9 silhouettes with 3 varying levels of breast size and 3 levels of buttock size.
He’s ignoring counter arguments and therefore is weak-ass at skepticism.
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The fact that breasts may have conferred an advantage among members of our species at some time in the past ten million years is an interesting aside. But you’re conflating evolutionary advantage with purpose. We evolved into nomadic herd-following hunter/gatherers; that doesn’t mean we are violating some cosmic purpose by farming and trading.
This is the same thing @anon61221983 said when she said “boobs aren’t here for your pleasure.” It’s not about how breasts got here. It’s about what they should be used for—which is to say, what the person they’re attached to wants to use them for.
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OK, I think you’re saying it depends on your definition of “for”. What they evolved for versus what are they here for now. They must have evolved for some reason or array of reasons, right? What are those? How do you figure it out? Is it meaningful to try to figure it out? Are they no longer here for what they evolved for? Do you know? Why does @anon61221983 seem so certain? Is that reasonable? Supported?
Adding: What they “should be used for” is a completely different conversation. Do you think I am having that one? Because I assure you I am not.
It always irks me when people talk about how vain dancers are with all the mirrors in the studios. It’s for the same reason: you have to see your positioning from every angle possible to make sure you don’t cause lasting damage; and, even more importantly, get the line the choreographer/instructor wants.
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You are appealing to authority here – constant references to Harvard…you do know that there are thousands of other excellent research universities just in the U.S., right? – and using non-scientific/professional links to prove your points about professional sciences.
Your link goes to a self-determining projects site that allows people connected with Harvard to set up any group they want. There’s no Evo-Psych department at Harvard. It is possible to get an interdisciplinary major in Evo-Psych, taking courses from several different departments.
It’s just not as fully proven and developed as you’re trying to make it seem.
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