Sigh…
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Why am I so certain about boobs? Cause I have some is why.
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But not all of them, right?
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Oh yes, you got me. I can’t possibly know what all women feel, so clearly you need to explain to me how boobs work.
My point, really, is that women shouldn’t be subjected to gross and dehumanizing treatment. I honestly don’t understand why this is such a confusing point for you or anyone else.
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This concludes this wonderful discussion.
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You can’t possibly know.
Your point is fine and I am not confused. Do you think I think anyone should be subjected to dehumanizing treatment? Where did I say that? I didn’t, and I don’t. However, I only have one brain and can’t speak for the other several billion of them around the place.
What you seem to have been confused by is the little word “for”, as I pointed out above. In this context, you could take it to mean “why did x evolve” or “what is x for now”. You see where a simple lack of clarity resulted in misunderstanding? You feel good about that? With all your eye-rolling and Al Gore stage sighing? You seem to have just wanted an excuse to flail about indignantly. Job well done.
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And neither can you.
Have a good day.
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That’s just so… what’s the word I’m looking for… reductionist? The story is about an individual, and we are having a conversation among individuals. Not all men or all women or all genderfluid.
It simply sounds like this is excusing bad behavior–that is consciously controllable–by the way of evolutionary psych. Not putting words in your mouth, that is how I interpret your arguments.
We are better than that.
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I fear we as humanity are still in the learning phase. 12 millenia* of extelligence are not sufficient.
* if the Neolithic Revolution can be used as starting point for human culture and society
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I now have this image in my mind of some one with 50 or so of these attached to them wondering what they want to use them for today.
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Why do you mash those two together though? There’s a reason or array of reasons things happened evolutionarily, and separately there’s how people deal with things nowadays. Separate. This “argument” is happening because some people mashed the two together and others didn’t. Why is it so hard to follow this logic? Why is “asking the question” the same as “excusing bad behaviour”? No one can ask a question?
Adding: Maybe some “EvoPsych douchebags” do, but I’m not one. I don’t know fucking thing one about it other than what came up in some searches yesterday. Results that appeared to be peer-reviewed scientific articles from reputable institutions. Try to educate yourself and ask a question about it, only to be jumped on and accused of dehumanizing people? Fuck that. No wonder people don’t engage here. Read the i09 comment thread I linked above, it’s a totally different environment.
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It is perfectly fine to ask questions. But what I think (again, this is my opinion) you are missing is the context in which you asked the question. I am not going to set up strawmen, I am just gonna give it to you straight.
Bringing up tenuous evolutionary hypothesis in a conversation about the humiliation of a person based on their breasts won’t win you any friends.
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It’s sad that you have to mansplain my point, @vert, but right on the money here! 
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The gym was wrong for singling her out. It required a judgment call of an inappropriate nature, and she was very legitimately offended. They deserve to be called out for it, with legal implications if possible. Full stop.
But then that got extrapolated to “boobs are not here for your enjoyment”. Everyone’s? In every situation? Forever? Did that really make people feel better?
I thought in the context of a story about humiliation, “boobs are not here for your enjoyment” was a quick, appropriate thing to say.
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But making an absolute, sweeping pronouncement about what “boobs” are not here for is ingenuous? OK, strike enjoyment. Where does that leave us, for purposes of overall remaining breast functionality? Can you map it out a bit?
Fine, that’s where we disagree. Thank you for boiling it all the way down with me there. Have a nice day!
You too. No hard feelings.
Did I miss it? Has a man finally told us what boobs are for and how we as women should feel about them? Damn I miss all the fun!
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