Hillary Clinton secures Democratic nomination

i’m not a clintonite. i voted for sanders in the primary and i know very well the clintons’ problematic relationship with progressives but i also realize that clinton is going to give me much more, a universe more of what i want than trump will and i have no interest in “heightening the contradictions” on the backs of the broken.


Another eight years of zero movement on sustainable anything while the entire planet burns.

All those scientists who were pleading back in the '90’s about how we have to act immediately or we’re all screwed? They weren’t wrong.

They weren’t wrong about delayed action being associated with exponentially increasing harms, either.

If the world truly recognised the reality of the situation, there wouldn’t be a functioning coal mine left anywhere on the planet. Today. Regardless of the economic cost.


I think this is mostly the distinction between ‘theoretical neoliberalism’ and ‘practical neoliberalism’.

Theoretical neoliberalism makes a bunch of false assumptions about how we magically won’t get regulatory capture, market power, executive capture, externalities, etc etc. Practical neoliberalism is paid for by those who use their wealth and influence to entrench market power, achieve regulatory capture, etc etc. Theoretical neoliberals are the useful idiots of practical neoliberals.


There ya go.


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I’m OK voting for Hilary, once she stops saying “You have to vote for me, I mean, just look at Donald Trump, he’s so crazy! Remember, America, I’m the Default!

She could embrace some of Bernie’s policy suggestions, start to change the party’s structure, etc., etc., etc. Lets see what she’s got.

If all she’s got is “I’m better than Trump!”, then she’s asking for a lot of Democrats to stay at home on election day.

…and when Democrats stay at home and Republicans come out in force because they want America to be led by everyone’s sleazy, racist uncle…

Won’t matter in my home state, I imagine, but in some of the more purple places…


As one of the few conservative-ish old white people on BB, can I have a go at this?

Naah, nobody gives a toot about this except the most fevered 1.5 percent of the right wing blogosphere. The issue is as dead as ol’ VInce himself.

No, she didn’t. But Clinton and Obama took a situation which was not too bad (Qaddafi was minding his own business and not exporting terrorism) and turned it into a class A1 clusterfuck. One thing I had hoped from Obama was that he would not have America start any more wars that we could not finish. Dummy me.

There are probably a few Republicans who think this. I trust in the good sense of the American public that this will not happen.

Given the history of the last few years, if I were a gun manufacturer or dealer I would be contributing as much to Hillary’s campaign as I could afford.

Now let’s talk about the two things you didn’t mention.

One, the millions of dollars of influence bought by Wall Street “speaking fees” and two, the tens of millions of dollars of influence bought by foreign governments and multinationals through the Clinton “Foundation”, all of which represent markers that will be called in shortly after Hillary is sworn in.

Her ideology bothers me a little bit from time to time. but it’s a drop in the bucket compared to how much I dislike the fact that she and her husband have relentlessly devoted themselves to translating political power into personal wealth for the last four decades.


Pretty sure her first appointment would be a replacement for Scalia (assuming senate Republicans continue their unprecedented decision to block any appointee Obama puts forward).

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You think the government is going to research us out of this hole? I expect people like Gates, Musk and others to do more (for a profit) frankly.




If Clinton wins the election, I bet that Garland will get confirmed before Christmas… no Thanksgiving.


Garland will be railroaded through between Nov and Jan when the GOP belatedly realize he’s a gift to them compared to what they might get (although I have my doubts that Clinton will pick another Sotomayor).

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Forgive me for my ignorance, but how the very fuck are they allowed to do that?

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Frankly the Founding Fathers probably didn’t forsee a lot of scenarios in which the people elected to office flat-out refused to fulfill the duties they were explicitly tasked with, so there are few recourses available short of recall elections.


Article Two of the United States Constitution

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

If you’re an obstructive arsehole, you can sit on that mention of consent and refuse to do anything.


No, I expect the government to subsidise research and development of new technologies as they have for the last 150 or so years.


[quote=“JonasEggeater, post:7, topic:79331”]
I would love to see Bernie on the ticket with Jill Stein.[/quote]

Dr. Jill Stein on Democracy Now: Senator and supporters, we want you.


Fair points generally, though if there’s one thing we can count on from the modern GOP, it’s that substantive criticisms take the back seat to sensationalist ones.


Whoever the candidates are, for ALL the parties, I simply exhort people to vote their conscience.

Didn’t notice you’d already posted this article, but it bears repeating! :slight_smile: