How to: avenge yourself on the Republicans who voted to nuke your healthcare

MLK lived in different times, and all sorts of people were making sacrifices.

Elections are fairly ceremonial, anyone looking to change course is vetted out in the primaries. As Frank Zappa said " government is the entertainment division of industry". Yes, it’s a good opportunity to get people involved, but to say an election will solve anything in America is quite frankly naive.

I’ll just leave this here…

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Answering a question about summing up your point by giving me a Frank Zappa quote pretty much tells me that yep, you’re trolling. I’m done. Seeya.

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Pro-tip: abrasiveness and being odious and obnoxious are very unlikely to bring people around to your way of thinking.

I get your anger, but from a distance b/c I’m Australian.

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Imagine all of a sudden, healthcare costs exploded in the Netherlands and with your current public spending, you can now only enough to cover a third of the population.

Imagine that private insurance seems to cost less per enrollee than public insurance, but they are also covering people who are healthier on average than the public system.

Now you’re forced to make a decision. Do you roll everyone onto the public insurance system or push everyone onto the private system?

Trick question. The answer is to figure out why the hell the healthcare costs exploded in the first place. Only, in the US, no one does. Instead we argue about whether our expensive public healthcare system which covers a third of the public is better than our expensive private insurance system which covers most of the rest.

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Apparently the number on the site I linked was wrong, but my point about voter apathy was not. More than 90m eligible voters did not vote, and 60m registered voters did not. That’s 30% of registered voters not bothering. If that’s not apathy I don’t know what is.

For people scraping to get by almost all of the government that they have to deal with is pretty bad - for them. Poor people, especially the part of the working class that fluctuates between just above and below the poverty line, see a lot of the bad parts and very little of the good.

The schools, roads, water pipes in their neighborhoods don’t get funding. If they have a tough month and need assistance, it’s a bureaucratic nightmare. And once they get assistance, they get penalized for working to try to improve their situation. If all of that stresses them out, and they want to just go fishing to relax, they have to first spend an hour or two and a day’s pay to go downtown and get a fishing license or else they’re committing a crime, and then they have to pay to get into the state park. After just last month when they had to take half a day off work (and lose pay) to wait 2 or 3 hours at the DMV and spend another day’s pay getting their driver’s license renewed.

When every experience someone has with the government is bad, it’s kinda understandable why they might think all government is bad. That’s not an easy problem to address though.

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The question may be rhetorical (I’m too groggy to decide), but there were and are a lot of Bernie fans that were completely clueless about how politics, both in the specific American federal context and in general, work. I hope and assume BB has better-informed Sandersians, but overall I would be entirely unsurprised to see some eager Bernie fan spout off on an issue where he’s completely irrelevant.

I never claimed they were soley responsible for the high cost of healthcare.

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Iyeah sorry, people don’t seem nearly alarmed enough.

These are not thoughts I am happy to convey, but they have to be said

But they would immediately notice the lack of income, and the lack of customer flow through the healthcare system.

The thing is we have no other choices, opposition is barely there whether they win elections or not. I have never once felt represented by any level of government in my 43 years.

Even on a personal level, the product they are going to allow insurance to sell is garbage. People shouldn’t buy it for that reason alone.

I like your response better than my own:

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Well, SOMEONE is quick to dismiss the realities of actual working people, that’s for sure.

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You’ve just described the charter school situation as well.

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It wasn’t even his fault.

It was Ralph Nader’s fault :laughing:

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This is more precise.

How is your profession more in the free market?

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I am not directly or indirectly paid by the government, my customers are not subsidized through loan or insurance plan. I also don’t do debt, the base reason.

That’s a rather extreme view. I’m as liberal as they come, but the reality is more nuanced than your “eat the rich” couching.

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It’s not just you.

I’m a far left libertarian, not quite an anarcho-communist but close to it, but I want no part in a revolution that requires vulnerable people to martyr themselves so that less vulnerable people have an easier life.

Find a better way.

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